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Sub Sailor · 02-14-06, 08:26 PM

SkeeM;
I must have done a poor job with my reply, I was in agreement with you. I have found with SC and DW that the US Boats do not live up to what I know them to be. I thought that was a point you were making, and so I agreed with you.
My experience with Russian, Chinese, and other countries subs and surface craft was tracking them. We were able to that very well, but we now know that these navies were unable to really keep track of our subs.
The Russian Navy now admits our subs were their biggest concern, and they credit them with the end of the cold war. Not my words their's.
You questioned whether our boats are modeled correctly in the two sims and I would say something needs to be done with the sonar. I really believe the bow sonar is far less accurate than in real life, We developed towed arrays and we have good one. I have always felt that the sonar in SC and DW is less than actual. I know I can ID a contact a lot faster with the Akula than with our Subs, I don't believe that is accurate.
There is a gentleman, his handle is Sonar and he can tell you how good our boats are. I know for a fact we picked up Russian subs out to 40-50 k yards in good conditions. Some Russian subs-the Alpha- was one noisey SOB, fast but hell you could hear it when it left port.
The Akula and Typhoon was, in my opinon, the quitest boats they made. Once they got the technology from Japan to build screws like ours they imporved. The Han-oh my god- sounded like a junk yard.
Keep writing, that is how we help these sims,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

02-14-06, 08:26 PM	#35
Sub Sailor Commander Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Orofino, Idaho Posts: 443 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	I must have worded it wrong. SkeeM; I must have done a poor job with my reply, I was in agreement with you. I have found with SC and DW that the US Boats do not live up to what I know them to be. I thought that was a point you were making, and so I agreed with you. My experience with Russian, Chinese, and other countries subs and surface craft was tracking them. We were able to that very well, but we now know that these navies were unable to really keep track of our subs. The Russian Navy now admits our subs were their biggest concern, and they credit them with the end of the cold war. Not my words their's. You questioned whether our boats are modeled correctly in the two sims and I would say something needs to be done with the sonar. I really believe the bow sonar is far less accurate than in real life, We developed towed arrays and we have good one. I have always felt that the sonar in SC and DW is less than actual. I know I can ID a contact a lot faster with the Akula than with our Subs, I don't believe that is accurate. There is a gentleman, his handle is Sonar and he can tell you how good our boats are. I know for a fact we picked up Russian subs out to 40-50 k yards in good conditions. Some Russian subs-the Alpha- was one noisey SOB, fast but hell you could hear it when it left port. The Akula and Typhoon was, in my opinon, the quitest boats they made. Once they got the technology from Japan to build screws like ours they imporved. The Han-oh my god- sounded like a junk yard. Keep writing, that is how we help these sims, Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)