[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

If it is not listed in their handbook that piercings, earrings or untrimmed hair, when serving food is not mentioned as being against the grooming standards, then your comment would be considered discrimitory. A person's skill set is not judged by their piercings or hair, but by how they perform their tasks.

Actually - a person's appearance actually is part of the standard by which they are judged - and such judgment is perfectly legal. An employee is expected to represent the company - and while the company may not choose to restrict the right to wear things like nose rings or ear gauges that you could drive a Buick through, the individual manager has every right to determine whether or not such accoutrements present the desired presentation appropriately. Its just like the whole uniform issue - most restaurants mandate that one be worn. Some however (apparently) do not mandate that the shirt be tucked in. If that is the case - then it is up to the discretion of the management come review time to determine who better "represents", and reward accordingly.

So you are saying that the low-lives should man up and get a real job.

I didn't call anyone a "low life" - you did. Why insult them? Unless your talking about the two real world lowlifes that they mentioned by name - which I deal with them at the end of this post....

We are back at square one again.

No we aren't - these people never left square one because they haven't chosen to actually invest in themselves enough to make their life better. Instead of whining about how they can't make ends meet on a part time job.

I think that not all is as it seems. Do we really assume that people who are in low-paid service industries are there because they want to be? All of them?

I made no such claim - I have no idea why you even think I did.

Because they are not worth $15 an hour. Is that your personal belief?

No - its because the job they are tasked to do is not worth getting done at $15 an hour to the company that provides said job.

How do you know?

That is easy. If it was worth $15 dollars an hour to get it done - then the going rate would not be minimum wage.

Do you know what's in their contract or workplace agreement?

They were wanting to unionize if my memory serves what the article says - so they wouldn't have a contract.

Do you know what that person or persons that work at the particular store mentioned in the article performance is like?

I don't need to, because if your in a position that maxes out at say.... $9.50 an hour, that is the most your going to get in that position. If you excel, you get promoted to a new one where the pay scale increases... That is how it works, you see....

Are you their superior who does performance reviews on them? Are you the person that sets out the award rates for people that work for McDonald's? No?

Nope to either of those - nor does it matter because McDonald's, like pretty much 95+% of non-union business in this country, works on a fairly standard corporate model when dealing with employees. I know how that structure works, and thus know why the people are whistling in a tornado trying to double their wages.

No no-one has made them take it. That's not my issue. Nor is it anyone else's.

Ok, so lets get this straight... You agree they took a low ceiling job knowing it was a low ceiling job unless they really excel, but your ok with them just saying "screw it, it shouldn't be a low ceiling job - give us more because we want it"? So why don't you go in tomorrow and tell your boss that your job sucks and you should get a 100% raise?

Offered management positions? Well then, obviously they can't be that bad then, to be offered management positions they must have above average performance levels then. And to boot, must be worth more than the $8.72 per hour that is currently offered to them. No?

No - McDonalds offers training for any crew member - however they have to take it and show by their incentive and effort and performance that they deserve to move up. Again - work hard and make it happen - instead of crossing the counter and holding a picket sign....

Also, we are assuming again that every person is able to take on a management position and in turn accept the responsibilities that come with a management position, ie longer hours, more stress, more liability, less time with family, less time to see the specialist or go to the oncologist becaause they need to follow up on their cancer treatment results. Or less time for their chemo or radiation treatments. Or their drug rehab meetings. Or God knows what else might be could be a catalist for these people not accepting the management role.

No, your assuming that everyone has done all the training but can't take the job because they have cancer or some other deadly thing or they have a family to spend time with. Did you happen to notice that they want $15 bucks an hour for PART TIME jobs? Hey, that 20 hr. workweek really gets in the way of my cancer treatments that I do with my kids.... Or was it playing Xbox?

However does that in your eyes exclude them from a wage increase due for reasons i already mentioned above? I f you say yes, then i'm disappointed.

No, what excludes them from a wage increase is simple market realities - they are doing a job that is not worth more than minimum wage to get done....

Funny that, i don't get any 'give me' attitude at all from these people. The only sense i'm getting is that it's dam tough to put food on the table for $8.72 per hour. Or dam tough to feed the kids. Or dam tough to provide for loved ones.

Funny that - I heard none of them say that the job that they do is actually WORTH more than what they get paid to do it. Instead we get a lot of complaining that it isn't enough. The reason its a "Give Me" attitude is because we don't hear them say the deserve it for the performance or the "long" 8 hr shifts they work (all of three days a week). We hear it because its not enough to support a woman and her "extended" family of seven... Maybe some of them should start workin at Mickey D's too then.... even have someone take a managers job so they will quit makin babies? Wow - once again - personal responsibility - dang that is so outta style.

As for ole Alterique Hall - you know - the guy who "has to rely on his grandmother for meals"? - well - not only does he want a raise, but he seems to not be needing so much really since his facebook account talks about how he "got his food stamps" and he gets a paycheck too?

Next we move onto your 'fat paycheck'. Laughable. A fat paycheck is what? $15 per hour? You have to be kidding me right?

I didn't say what a fat paycheck is. A "fat" paycheck for ole Alterique Hall seems to be 650G's, once again per his facebook....

https://www.facebook.com/iflush1

Now - to me, a fat pay check is one in which you didn't earn the money that is in it - ie. you got paid a greater amount than the work you did was worth. So - if your flipping burgers, yes a $15/hr paycheck would be "fat". If your flying an cargo plane cross country in an ice storm, I'd call that same check pretty darn "lean".

Seriously - these morons calling for some gift of more money for doing a job that isn't worth what they want - can cry me a river. The ones that choose to support deadbeats who won't work themselves, or people who cry about a lack of food and get food stamps, a paycheck and want a huge payday from a lawsuit to boot - make me sick.

The reality? If you want to support yourself (and possibly someone else or your kids or something) - don't work a PART TIME job and expect that to pay all the bills. You gotta be on crack or something to think that would work. And people wonder why drug testing welfare recipients enters some people's heads....