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Old 04-04-13, 02:51 PM   #8
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Always expect the amazing attack of the strawman
I didn't see strawmen in his post, I saw a description of lots an lots of "Palestine supporters" I've had the displeasure of speaking to over the years. While it might not have applied to anyone in this thread, I don't think it was intended to, either.

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2) Sweden's anti-Israel stance is because of the Israeli apartheid regime.
Just a little tip before I ask you for a source for that statement: when discussing Israel or in fact any country with someone, throwing out accusations like "apartheid" without any logical foundation (or apparent understanding about what the word even means) is a very, very good way to paint yourself as a zealot, ensuring you will not be taken seriously.
I'm not saying this to attack you, I'm genuenly trying to help you out here.

An Apartheid state is one that has a systematic, government-sanctioned divide between two groups based on their ethnic belonging. In an apartheid country, you have different schools, hospitals, buses, toilets, neighbourhoods and even drinking fountains and benches for the different groups. Group A doesn't get to share any kind of facility with Group B, and if they do, they have to be kept separate (coloured people confined to the back of buses in the US, for example). From top to bottom, Apartheid states are segregated regimes.

Israel, whose ambassador in Norway is Arabic, and which lets foreigners (including Arabs in the Palestinian areas) visit and receive the same education and medical care as the citizens, at the same facilities, at the same cost, and where miss Israel is an Arab, is not, by any kind of definition, an Apartheid country unless you really cherry-pick incidents and policies and twist the definition of the word to the unrecognisable.

As another poster said, though, while you can do this with words like "terror state", "apartheid" and "ethnic cleansing", doing this would mean most other countries, both in and outside of the Western world, would also suddenly become apartheid regimes, terror states, ethnic cleansers, etc.

Oh, and: got a source for that statement?

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