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Sub Sailor · 02-11-06, 09:56 AM

SKeeM;
Sir in no way is this meant to be argumentative. I am a real life bubblehead starting on subs in 1962 until I retired in 1981, been there done that.
Your friend and the Carrier almost doing a "Wheelie", uh did he start it with "This is no sh.." that is how all sea stories start.
I agree with you that I have long questioned the super capabilities of the Akula and it superior sonar. The Akula is quiet but it was never as quiet as the 688 and certainly not the Seawolf class. Until the Japanese company sold the machine that was used to build the screws to the Russians their boats were noisey. Dam I can't remember the company's name right now, I know they ended up taking out many adds in our newspapers "apologizing for the "misunderstanding", it was our own dam fault for giving it to them, Toshiba, I think was the companies name
Decoys are tested so they can decoy torpedoes, but they are far from perfect. The US Navy had subroc, and TSAM, we did away with them they were not that good, now the Harpoon is a good weapon. The Trident UGM-133A is outstanding, probably the best in the world. The TLAM-E well believe me it is going to ruin the other guy's day. The new MK -48 mod 6, well it is an improvement over the Mod 5. It is faster, more accurate, and quieter. The Sonar BQR-15 towed array is on the 688s and Ohio's now. The boats are being fitted with the new TB-29 A and the Navy expects it of improve detection 400-500 percent with it, against quiet subs in a littoral environment.
Crew knowledge, there are no secrets on a sub. There were time that our charts were kept covered because of the nature and location of the spec ops. We often had "riders" all named smith and Jones etc and we were forbidden to ask them about family, weather where they came from etc.
A good Captain will tell his crew as much as they can, a long patrol gets on everyone nerves, so the Skippers I served under kept us informed. In the old days you signed a statement never to reveal anything you did. It was an official document, there must be 1000s of them on file somewhere, I cannot even remember how many I signed. Imagine our surprise when "Blind Man's Bluff" was printed or the stuff Clancy put in SSN and Submarine.
Some of your questions are on the mark, but we knew a lot more than we were suppose to talk about.
But as far as the Akula's superiority over US boats, well you would have to ask the people who put these sims together.
I know we have good sonar and dam good boats and I tracked a lot of Russian Subs during the Cold War. I mean I was on boats the did, and we knew were dong it and why. The missions where there are missile shots, naval maneuvers, well those thing really did happen. Ivy Bells was a real operation that probably provided us with more knowledge about the Russian Navy than any other intelligent operation.
How good are US Boats, look at the safety record-2 lost since 1954-we built and crewed dam good boats.

Respectfully,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

02-11-06, 09:56 AM	#29
Sub Sailor Commander Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Orofino, Idaho Posts: 443 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	Some points of clarifications. SKeeM; Sir in no way is this meant to be argumentative. I am a real life bubblehead starting on subs in 1962 until I retired in 1981, been there done that. Your friend and the Carrier almost doing a "Wheelie", uh did he start it with "This is no sh.." that is how all sea stories start. I agree with you that I have long questioned the super capabilities of the Akula and it superior sonar. The Akula is quiet but it was never as quiet as the 688 and certainly not the Seawolf class. Until the Japanese company sold the machine that was used to build the screws to the Russians their boats were noisey. Dam I can't remember the company's name right now, I know they ended up taking out many adds in our newspapers "apologizing for the "misunderstanding", it was our own dam fault for giving it to them, Toshiba, I think was the companies name Decoys are tested so they can decoy torpedoes, but they are far from perfect. The US Navy had subroc, and TSAM, we did away with them they were not that good, now the Harpoon is a good weapon. The Trident UGM-133A is outstanding, probably the best in the world. The TLAM-E well believe me it is going to ruin the other guy's day. The new MK -48 mod 6, well it is an improvement over the Mod 5. It is faster, more accurate, and quieter. The Sonar BQR-15 towed array is on the 688s and Ohio's now. The boats are being fitted with the new TB-29 A and the Navy expects it of improve detection 400-500 percent with it, against quiet subs in a littoral environment. Crew knowledge, there are no secrets on a sub. There were time that our charts were kept covered because of the nature and location of the spec ops. We often had "riders" all named smith and Jones etc and we were forbidden to ask them about family, weather where they came from etc. A good Captain will tell his crew as much as they can, a long patrol gets on everyone nerves, so the Skippers I served under kept us informed. In the old days you signed a statement never to reveal anything you did. It was an official document, there must be 1000s of them on file somewhere, I cannot even remember how many I signed. Imagine our surprise when "Blind Man's Bluff" was printed or the stuff Clancy put in SSN and Submarine. Some of your questions are on the mark, but we knew a lot more than we were suppose to talk about. But as far as the Akula's superiority over US boats, well you would have to ask the people who put these sims together. I know we have good sonar and dam good boats and I tracked a lot of Russian Subs during the Cold War. I mean I was on boats the did, and we knew were dong it and why. The missions where there are missile shots, naval maneuvers, well those thing really did happen. Ivy Bells was a real operation that probably provided us with more knowledge about the Russian Navy than any other intelligent operation. How good are US Boats, look at the safety record-2 lost since 1954-we built and crewed dam good boats. Respectfully, Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)