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Skybird · 04-01-13, 11:43 AM

Unfortunately, the negative symptoms complained about are the logical consequence of any democratic system. This has been known by most of the famous and influential philosophers and thinkers since over 2000 years. Already the ancient Greek knew it, starting with Aristotle and Socrates, and later the Romans, mentioning Cato and Cicero as just two examples.

The following text is in German, unfortunately. It is a compact and imo extremely good summary that gives an overview on the roots of political terms and labels that we use today without knowing the original meanings and historic realities behind these terms. What we value today by describing something as "democracy" or "state", in the times when these terms were first used were only seen as reasons of mayhem and anti-social behaviour, they had anything but a good reputation and where seen as ideas and concepts which were to be avoided, if only that would have been possible. The more these ideas nevertheless got realised over the centuries, the more it meant degenration and fall for the hosting civilizations.

So, it does not need Hoppe to rip apart our cult about democracy. Other authors can do that, too. And very convincingly as well. The author of this text is Rahim Taghizadegan. I recommend to print it out for reading, it is 18-20 pages in Din A4.

!German!
http://www.d-perspektive.de/nc/zeitreport-online/kultur-und-geschichte/detailansicht/article/demokratie-eine-kritische-analyse-von-rahim-taghizadegan-institut-fuer-wertewirtschaft-452/nbp/96.html

To compare our understanding of democracy with that of the ancient Greek, and the European aristocracies and then the American founding father,s is most revealing and an intellectual enlightenment.

In our modern democracies, it is not only not surprising that there is the degeneration taking place that is destroying our civilizations. Thinking it through, like people like Hoppe or Taghizadegan did - or Erik Ritter von Kühnelt-Leddihn, another author I would highly recommend - not only tells you why this kind of self-destruction is taking place, but it also can explain why it is highly unreasonable and unrealistic to expect that in context of these political systems politicians will ever act differently than they do.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,735 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately, the negative symptoms complained about are the logical consequence of any democratic system. This has been known by most of the famous and influential philosophers and thinkers since over 2000 years. Already the ancient Greek knew it, starting with Aristotle and Socrates, and later the Romans, mentioning Cato and Cicero as just two examples. The following text is in German, unfortunately. It is a compact and imo extremely good summary that gives an overview on the roots of political terms and labels that we use today without knowing the original meanings and historic realities behind these terms. What we value today by describing something as "democracy" or "state", in the times when these terms were first used were only seen as reasons of mayhem and anti-social behaviour, they had anything but a good reputation and where seen as ideas and concepts which were to be avoided, if only that would have been possible. The more these ideas nevertheless got realised over the centuries, the more it meant degenration and fall for the hosting civilizations. So, it does not need Hoppe to rip apart our cult about democracy. Other authors can do that, too. And very convincingly as well. The author of this text is Rahim Taghizadegan. I recommend to print it out for reading, it is 18-20 pages in Din A4. !German! http://www.d-perspektive.de/nc/zeitreport-online/kultur-und-geschichte/detailansicht/article/demokratie-eine-kritische-analyse-von-rahim-taghizadegan-institut-fuer-wertewirtschaft-452/nbp/96.html To compare our understanding of democracy with that of the ancient Greek, and the European aristocracies and then the American founding father,s is most revealing and an intellectual enlightenment. In our modern democracies, it is not only not surprising that there is the degeneration taking place that is destroying our civilizations. Thinking it through, like people like Hoppe or Taghizadegan did - or Erik Ritter von Kühnelt-Leddihn, another author I would highly recommend - not only tells you why this kind of self-destruction is taking place, but it also can explain why it is highly unreasonable and unrealistic to expect that in context of these political systems politicians will ever act differently than they do. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.