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Old 03-08-13, 09:24 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by MH View Post
You see you have all backward again.
The reason for high reliability in today's engines is the electronics.
Electrical problems are mostly due to bad wiring.
Don't discuss with me - talk to the numbers. 2012 the above organisations checked and certified over 8 million cars in Germany alone. Show us that their lists and counts are wrong. Electrical problems caused roughly 25% of all garage visits. Second place was brakes with 19 or 20%. Also: the share of garages repairs due to electric problems is constantly climbing since the late 80s or early 90s. Electrics are the most common reason for needing to go to the garage since many years, and the share of electrical failures is growing and growing. This is a trend that is independent from car manufacturer (brand or nation).

The more electrical gimmicks a car has, the more sensible it is. In an older Peugeot of friends of mine, a shortcut in electric window movers (moisture, probably) caused the deregulation of some function in the bingiter. The motor did not start, or failed in mid-ride. Because of the window.

I think ADAC, world'S biggest automobile association, by trend says the same, they do their own tests, checks and statistics, but no certifications like DEKRA, TÜV and the like (certification of cars is obligatory in Germany every two years).

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But yeah..real men drive 4l v12 cars with 100hp.
Never said that. Do not own that. Do not even get your point. Rethorics, I assume.

I don't even have a car. Saves me an awfully lot of money.
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