[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by August

I think you're being overly critical. There is no set pace for firing, there will always be variations in the speed with which one pulls the trigger. As for quick changing magazines they also didn't show them using doubled or tripled up mags either so maybe they weren't as slow as they could have simulated it but it wasn't as fast either. Besides except for the "rush them while they're reloading" test this wasn't a speed contest but a comparison of time differences in reloading different size magazines.

It scales somewhat but the differences aren't that great. Yes a less practiced and/or scared person will take a little longer to reload but that's a lot bigger issue to those defending themselves than it is to someone who is on a killing rampage. They tend to be cool and methodical and they are prepared for a fight.

There are over 30 million standard and high cap mags out there in American hands already that they know of and I believe there are way more that they don't. Either way limiting magazine size will limit the firepower of a victim not the aggressor.

In a sense you are right, it is not that big of a deal. But the difference was pretty damn noticeable to me. By my count of the pace of shots, he was shooting twice as fast on average with the smaller magazines, compared to the large one, and he did it with both weapons used. If that was a scientific study (which they were kind of presenting it as one) its a confound so serious it throws out all the results from that shooter. It also was a speed test, as they were timing not the reloading, but the entire sequence.

I never argued that limiting mag size is a solution. I just don't like it when I see stuff like I did in the video. As it looked to me like he did it purposely (not sure if this was conscious or not on his part), which will automatically make me suspicious and question it.

I also agree with your mag argument, would be very difficult to eliminate even half of them.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Smaller magazines, or "mags" for short. (ill explain why the word is important below). Now as to the instructor firing faster, you have to remember that this guy is a prrofessional shooter. He shoots for time. He reloaded faster because he tried harder then he normally does. The best comparison was the woman who was not a pro shooter.

I agree, the female shooter was a far better example, her fire rates were pretty consistent. What you said still doesn't explain why he shot faster and scored times with a very significant difference (he was faster on the smaller mags in total time by a very large margin). Statistically I would expect variance, but not on that level (the difference was so large I actually found it hard to kept watching).

The point in the portion where they were shooting the different magazine sizes wasn't to show how many bullets they could get off in a time period, but how much time it took to fire X number of rounds with magazine changes, all other variables being equal except for the skill of the shooter.

As for access to mags, If one doesn't have all the tacticool gear like a Molle vest and other assorted chest rigs, all you really need is a bag slung over your shoulder like a bandoleer bag. Reach in, and grab one, it doesn't take much time.

I think it would be slower than using tactical gear, as you have to fish around for a mag, and grab it the right way up or reorient it after pulling it out, unless the bag had mag pockets sewn in. Both are slower than grabbing a mag from the bench in front of you.

Back to clips. Whenever someone says something like, "They should do away with high capacity clips that hold 30 bullets" I laugh my ass off.

Ya, I actually do know the difference and what a clip actually is, and yes a 30 round stripper clip is quite silly. I was rushed for time and just wrote the first word that came to mind. We all knew what I meant.


Anyhow I am not saying their point is invalid, just pointing out some issues I noted with the video. I also agree that Biden's statements are moronic. As for gun control, I'm still pretty neutral, I see merits in both arguments.