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Sniper297 · 01-28-13, 01:04 AM

I suppose I should add this - the original poster stated;

I cannot get close enough to a convoy to get a big ship in range ( 3500 yards?) because the escorts pick me up even when I am way out

I'll be covering what some people will consider obvious, but a common n00b mistake;

There's the enemy, head toward him and speed up!

But that's not gonna work because he's moving, not only will he be somewhere else when you get to where he is when you start, the high speed running will attract attention and deplete batteries. A surface attack at night is difficult to pull off and requires ideal conditions, any submerged attack should never be done from the side or behind.

Instead you stay outside the visual detection range of the escorts, turn parallel to the target's course, go to full speed and perform what's called an "END-AROUND" to get in front without being seen.

It takes time and patience but the idea is to pass him then move toward the track when you're ahead of him, don't get too close but don't get so far away that you lose contact either.

This is much harder with map contact updates off, but you want to stay at least 5 miles away from the nearest escort all the way. So when you arrive at the track you should be 5-10 miles ahead of the convoy/task force and ready to submerge, maneuver to a good firing position, and go silent before he gets there. The previous clipboard bragging I did different from the usual convoy, there were two columns of battleships and carriers about 1000 yards apart so I postioned my sub between the tracks facing parallel instead of perpendicular. Then I went down to find the layer, went 50 feet below that (the BT detector like the depth sensor is on the keel, if the thermal layer is at 160 feet you have to go down to 210 feet so the whole sub including conning tower is under the layer) and watched the sonar. As soon as the lead escort passed I rose to periscope depth and started firing bow and stern (Sargo class, four tubes at each end) at the furthest targets first, then the closer ones. The leading ships in both columns had already passed when periscope depth was reached so the sequence was last left, last right, spin the scope around and fire at first right and first left, then back around to third left and right, by which time the second in each column was past me close aboard so pop one at each. Shortly after all hell broke loose SIR! and a couple of the battleships required another fish. Next is get back below the layer and go quiet, discretion is the better part of valor.

01-28-13, 01:04 AM	#10
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	I suppose I should add this - the original poster stated; I cannot get close enough to a convoy to get a big ship in range ( 3500 yards?) because the escorts pick me up even when I am way out I'll be covering what some people will consider obvious, but a common n00b mistake; There's the enemy, head toward him and speed up! But that's not gonna work because he's moving, not only will he be somewhere else when you get to where he is when you start, the high speed running will attract attention and deplete batteries. A surface attack at night is difficult to pull off and requires ideal conditions, any submerged attack should never be done from the side or behind. Instead you stay outside the visual detection range of the escorts, turn parallel to the target's course, go to full speed and perform what's called an "END-AROUND" to get in front without being seen. It takes time and patience but the idea is to pass him then move toward the track when you're ahead of him, don't get too close but don't get so far away that you lose contact either. This is much harder with map contact updates off, but you want to stay at least 5 miles away from the nearest escort all the way. So when you arrive at the track you should be 5-10 miles ahead of the convoy/task force and ready to submerge, maneuver to a good firing position, and go silent before he gets there. The previous clipboard bragging I did different from the usual convoy, there were two columns of battleships and carriers about 1000 yards apart so I postioned my sub between the tracks facing parallel instead of perpendicular. Then I went down to find the layer, went 50 feet below that (the BT detector like the depth sensor is on the keel, if the thermal layer is at 160 feet you have to go down to 210 feet so the whole sub including conning tower is under the layer) and watched the sonar. As soon as the lead escort passed I rose to periscope depth and started firing bow and stern (Sargo class, four tubes at each end) at the furthest targets first, then the closer ones. The leading ships in both columns had already passed when periscope depth was reached so the sequence was last left, last right, spin the scope around and fire at first right and first left, then back around to third left and right, by which time the second in each column was past me close aboard so pop one at each. Shortly after all hell broke loose SIR! and a couple of the battleships required another fish. Next is get back below the layer and go quiet, discretion is the better part of valor.