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Skybird · 02-01-06, 12:07 PM

Hitman,

I base on
- Islam's scriptures, that I red myself for a minor part, and red about in academcial literature by more competent authors,
- Islam'S history
- the historcially true biography of Muhammad (which is not necessarily identical with the one Islam is claiming to be the tue one).

I also base on my own perceptions when having lived in Muslim places for many, many months.

What needs to be said to counter your opinion i already have said, here , in other threads, in the last weeks and months. If you think there are so many similarities between Christianity and Islam that they outnumber the differences, then I know it better and must tell you that you are simply wrong. Judging by history. Judging by Muhammad. Judging by scirptures. Such misperceptions are very popular at present. they are also intentionally enforced by according lobbies. but they remain to be false by facts.I also said a lot about the Western misperception of Islam, in recent months.

Please understand that I do not repeat every time and again all that sermon whenever the same questions get asked again. I alreeady have adressed what you said, and several times so.

The chatholic church's position towards Islam is irresponsible, a treachery towards their own followers, short: it is completly messed up and queer. a level of having lost any sense for reality that it finds my psychologist's interest for psychopathology. The damage that has been done by John Paul II. can hardly be overestimated. But this is another long chapter, a very long chapter. Don't get me started

Whole books alreday have been written about that. If you need recommendations and are fluid in German, let me know.

I have given some examples in my last long reply above. I could give you many, many more, if you need, I have books filled with such stuff. Think about the stories above, the yearly progroms, the massacre in Sudan, the synode 1999. And then try to counter it. Don't tell me these are isolated single events. they are not - they are the rule. Fact.

It's a harsh reality, I agree. Nevertheless it is the only reality you ever will get. You don't like it, and thus close your eyes. I don't like it, too, but I try to make people open their eyes nevertheless. pink-red illusions will not help us a bit.

Tolerant interpretation of Islam? How should that be possible with THAT founding figure, and with that bunch of opportunistic, contradictive scriptures, and with such an absurd and obscure theology at center? You need to know how the scriptures of Islam emerged over three cneturies, that is quite revealing. you need to link their form and shape to the biography of muhammad, then you better understand why they are what they are. It has nothing to do with devine revelations falling from sky to earth.

Islam has fought more wars against it's own faith, and against foreign religions as well than any other religion. It has more expansive drive than any other religion. And it's ethical and philosophical developement is stuck in the medieval. Look at the inferior national structures they have. The high rate of unemployment. the inferior industry. what there is in science and industry - they need to import, sometimes steal from the West. They are not creative, constructive. they are consuming only. And now tell me that all this only is by random, or becasue they misinterpreted the basics of their culture. It is because they perfectly represent the basics of their culture, and Islam's teachings. Islam is the problem, and it's distorted self-perception, not my "false" perception of it.

Nevertheless they keep on looking down on us, claiming to have the right to make us submit to Islam. they are turning the ammount of tolerance you have displayed ion your last sentence against us. Our own democratic rules work for them, against us. You idnicate we have an obligation to accept them and their faith in our middle, if they follow our rules. They will always try to overcome our rules.

"Thanks to your own democratic laws we will overcome you, thanks to your own religious rules we will rule you.‘" - "Why should we do that...? You cannot teach us anything, and we DO NOT NEED TOM LEARN ANYTHING.“ - you better start believing that this atittude is at the heart and core of Islam, according to Muhammad, scriptures, and displayed in all 14 centuries of it's history.

02-01-06, 12:07 PM	#64
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,632 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Hitman, I base on - Islam's scriptures, that I red myself for a minor part, and red about in academcial literature by more competent authors, - Islam'S history - the historcially true biography of Muhammad (which is not necessarily identical with the one Islam is claiming to be the tue one). I also base on my own perceptions when having lived in Muslim places for many, many months. What needs to be said to counter your opinion i already have said, here , in other threads, in the last weeks and months. If you think there are so many similarities between Christianity and Islam that they outnumber the differences, then I know it better and must tell you that you are simply wrong. Judging by history. Judging by Muhammad. Judging by scirptures. Such misperceptions are very popular at present. they are also intentionally enforced by according lobbies. but they remain to be false by facts.I also said a lot about the Western misperception of Islam, in recent months. Please understand that I do not repeat every time and again all that sermon whenever the same questions get asked again. I alreeady have adressed what you said, and several times so. The chatholic church's position towards Islam is irresponsible, a treachery towards their own followers, short: it is completly messed up and queer. a level of having lost any sense for reality that it finds my psychologist's interest for psychopathology. The damage that has been done by John Paul II. can hardly be overestimated. But this is another long chapter, a very long chapter. Don't get me started Whole books alreday have been written about that. If you need recommendations and are fluid in German, let me know. I have given some examples in my last long reply above. I could give you many, many more, if you need, I have books filled with such stuff. Think about the stories above, the yearly progroms, the massacre in Sudan, the synode 1999. And then try to counter it. Don't tell me these are isolated single events. they are not - they are the rule. Fact. It's a harsh reality, I agree. Nevertheless it is the only reality you ever will get. You don't like it, and thus close your eyes. I don't like it, too, but I try to make people open their eyes nevertheless. pink-red illusions will not help us a bit. Tolerant interpretation of Islam? How should that be possible with THAT founding figure, and with that bunch of opportunistic, contradictive scriptures, and with such an absurd and obscure theology at center? You need to know how the scriptures of Islam emerged over three cneturies, that is quite revealing. you need to link their form and shape to the biography of muhammad, then you better understand why they are what they are. It has nothing to do with devine revelations falling from sky to earth. Islam has fought more wars against it's own faith, and against foreign religions as well than any other religion. It has more expansive drive than any other religion. And it's ethical and philosophical developement is stuck in the medieval. Look at the inferior national structures they have. The high rate of unemployment. the inferior industry. what there is in science and industry - they need to import, sometimes steal from the West. They are not creative, constructive. they are consuming only. And now tell me that all this only is by random, or becasue they misinterpreted the basics of their culture. It is because they perfectly represent the basics of their culture, and Islam's teachings. Islam is the problem, and it's distorted self-perception, not my "false" perception of it. Nevertheless they keep on looking down on us, claiming to have the right to make us submit to Islam. they are turning the ammount of tolerance you have displayed ion your last sentence against us. Our own democratic rules work for them, against us. You idnicate we have an obligation to accept them and their faith in our middle, if they follow our rules. They will always try to overcome our rules. "Thanks to your own democratic laws we will overcome you, thanks to your own religious rules we will rule you.‘" - "Why should we do that...? You cannot teach us anything, and we DO NOT NEED TOM LEARN ANYTHING.“ - you better start believing that this atittude is at the heart and core of Islam, according to Muhammad, scriptures, and displayed in all 14 centuries of it's history. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.