[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Hitman

So what?

What is so remarkable about an Islamic radical group claiming to have Seville back under islamic domination?

What is remarkable about zionists claiming their right to the land of Israel?

What is remarkable about Morocco willing the territory of Ceuta and Melilla?

What would be strange is that neither radical muslims demand Al-Andalus back, zionists the land of Israel or Morocco demand Ceuta & Melilla :hmm: But it is in the nature of their respective ideology to request those things. Shall I be shocked or amazed by a terrorist saying openly that his goal is to kill people?

It is remarkable because Islam can make these claims, unhidden, in the public - and we in the West still ignore them, find excuses for them, seek reasons that let them appear as harmless symptoms that are not representative. That we still believe in our own folly, saying that Islam is about mutual tolerance, peaceful coexistance - this is what makes these claims so remarkable. Even when we get hurt by them, if our people get killed, our homes get bombed - soon after we are more concerned with moralizing that all this is not Islam, and that we let not allow anything to be said that could make Islam feel offended, and we must move even closer towards Islam to get it's sympathy for us infidels.
We really believe that we have an obligation to help them to overcome us. I am sick and tired of Islam. And I am even more sick and tired of Europe's wishful thinking and rejection to see the hard reality. This time Islam may not come with military force, trying to overcome christian Europe, as it did in the last threee attempts that it started to conquer Europe by force. This time it is coming with a smile on the face and the irresistable power of demographics and the "peaceful movement" of millions of Muslims to Europe, knowing all to qell that we cannot counter this ofgfensive without giving up some of our own precious legal values and democratic ideals and humanistic ideas. But it is a clash of two civilizations, Europe under siege, Islam attacking again for the foruth time now, trying to make it all it's own. It's a strategy that is planning with centuries, not with decades. AND IT IS INTENTIONAL, and fully known by Islam.

I said it in the past, and I say it again: Islam does not know or accept peace as long as there is anything non-Islamic left. Peace, in Islam's true inner understanding, means the unconditional, undisputed, unquestioned, invulnerable total and complete dominance of Islam over all the world. It only knows phases of cease-firing or stopped expansion, in the face of too stroing oppositon. When this opposition has been weakend, it presses on the expansion. Contemporary phases of non-expansion (no matter if violantly enbforced, or softly acchieved) are not because of tolerance, or ratio, or interest in coexistence. It only is the deep breathtaking before the effort, the concentrating before going to action, the silence before the race, the training before the new season starts.

Two weeks ago I had a private talk with a board member, and I exchanged a long letter with him. I quote one passage, describing one certain event from it, because I do not want to re-formulate it, and it holds no personal content at all (because this is so I think he will not feel offended that I bring this part of my letter to him to the public).

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The folly leads as far as that the Vatican even remains silent about the yearly mass killing of up to 150.000 christians in Muslims countries, who get murdered in local progroms each year. That says the Vatican’s own secret service, three or four years ago. To say that is considered to be politically uncorrect. It threatens the folly one is trying hard to keep alive: that there is interest for dialogue and tolerance on the other side.

When Paul II visited Sudan in 1983, or was it 86, he also met Hasan Al-Turabi, a known radical, whom he embraced and praised him as a great man, stressing the mutual tolernace and similiarities between both religions – the very same man that in the twelve months before had slaughtered one million christians in southern Sudan by sending Muslim marauders, and a man who just waited until the pope was back to Rome and then spend another year or so with murdering another two million Christians there – this time by using more efficient massbombardement from bombers and fighter planes, until he fell out of favour himself.

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Later Pope II. said that „if we allow women for priesthood, this will block our ecumenical contact to Islam“, and explained that for the latter reason the first shall not be. If that is not revealing.

What is acchieved by this? A new form of monologue is created, that labels itself a dialogue, that by renunciation of analysis and reason uses highly irrational criterias, illusions and wishful thinking, nevertheless searches for a truth that nevertheless it already has limited in advance (dialogue with Islam MUST be successful), this is enforced with highly dogmatic power inside the church, and at the same time accepting massive deformation of the church’s spiritual contents that already were hollowed out before and have lost so much attractiveness that churches today are empty and young generations are driven away – while mosques are crowded and their numbers almost exploded in the last three decades. Today, Islam in europe just needs to pick up those people that were driven away from the churches, that felt disgusted, and saw no convincing orientation in Christian religion, as interpreted by corrupted churches, anymore. Some fall victim to spiritual mass-tourism. Some fall victim to Buddhist sects that have not adopted their teachings to Western living surroundings. Some fall victim to islam that promsies them to be striuct and strong in giving them orientation by total regulation of all levels of life. Most people fall victim to materialism and nihilism, beeing no thrwad to Islmaic expansion into the West anymore – they are weak.

During the bishop’s synode 1999 in Rome the Bishop of Izmir risked open confrontation with the Vatican when ignoring orders to shut up, and gave the assembly a report on the massive discriminations Christians in his diocese are facing, and I quote from one of my books here (my translation):

„During an official meeting about the ‚dialogue‘ between Christians and Muslims, a high representatives of the Muslim community raised and adressed the Christian participants of that assembly, saying: ‚Thanks to your own democratic laws we will overcome you, thanks to your own religious rules we will rule you.‘ Their rulership already has begun with the petrodollars, that are not used to fight poverty in the poor countries of Northern Africa or to create jobs in the middle east, but to raise mosques and ‚culture centers‘ within Christian countries with a very high quota of Muslim immigrants beeing send to the construction sites. How can we fail to see a clear intentional program in this, that is directed at expansion, taking over, and ultimate ruling...?“

The Bishop continued to describe that all the intercultural meetings always, always are organized and created by Christians, never initiated by Muslims, and he described how another high ranking Muslim representative was asked why this was so, that Muslims never initiated cultural exchange and interreligious meetings. That Muslim representative answered, and I quote again:

„ Why should we do that...? You cannot teach us anything, and we DO NOT NEED TOM LEARN ANYTHING.“

The Bishop continued:

„It is a fact, that terms like dialogue, justice, mutuality (Gegenseitigkeit), or terms like human rights and democracy have a completely different meaning and understanding for Muslims than for us. But it is absolutely inevitable that we are united in our understanding of these principles. We may never again offer a Christian church to a muslim community for celebrating a Muslim religious festivity in there, because for them it is a most convincing signal for our own apostasy.“ "