[Skybird]

The EU now is a catch-22 for everybody. You are doomed if staying in, you are doomed if leaving. At least it will become pretty expensive and costly for the leaving economy. Question is whether it still is worth it.

I think it would be wporth it if several nations leave the EU - sufficiently many that the EU collapses. But iof the EU cadaver keeps on tumbling through history, it will just maximise costs for all - those who left, and those who stayed.

What is needed is a total collpase to get rid of the EU as it has reoriented itself since end of cold war. And then get ASAP a replacement that is just a alliance of cooperating and losely coordinated economies, like the old ECC originally was. It also needs to be founded by new personell, not the old criminal traitors that have brought us to where we are. The principles must be sober, the monitoring that they are vbeign followed without attemptred betrayal and lying must be merciless, and it must be clearl yunderstood that it is only about basics of the economies and letting the new alliance indeed speak with one voice on economic issues when dealing with the rest of the world - else Asia and others would simply eat up Europe, one by one.

Beyond that - nothing, please. No cultural Gleichschaltung. No dicatte of new wanted identity. No bureaucratic tyrannies telling European people how to live, what to think, how to become all the same, equal, conform, indifferent, non-diverse. Just a collaboration on certain basics of nation'S economies. Nothing more.

What also is needed, is something different: realising that if uneducated masses of simple ordinary people are allowed to influence political decisions, they will always fall for politicians promises and short-term briberies that will ruin a nation'S finances again sooner or later. If there is one thing we finally have to win clearity and understanding about, then it is the limits of democracy - and that the way the term so far has been understood necessarily will ruin our nations again and again by corrupting healthy acting and healthy state finances.

And no, I have no idea what to replace it with. All I know is that the old ways no longer work.

The understanding of democratic political system of the past decades we can no longer trust. It's no longer just the smallest of all evils. It simply is corrupt and dysfunctional.

we also need a new understanding - globally - on how manage a finance system. An interest-driven finance system imo always leads into a cataclysm sooner or later. Money is a tool, and should never become a trading object like any goods being exchanged. Interests simply should not be existent. And yes, I perfectly know that this puts pretty much all in doubt that our old ways are basing on.

Usually you do not risk to jump out of thew window in the third floor. Expect the whole building is in flames and all exits are burning hell and there is no escape. Then maybe it is wise to even consider jumping out of the window in third floor- before you burn to death.