[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Skybird,

What you're saying let's stay in the dark ages and not progress with culture. The problem with the American family has nothing to do with sexuality. Marriage and relationships have evolved. Still, why not promote marriage for all people? I honestly don't care who loves who.

I realize you would probably like to go back to the day of no civil or equal rights, but it ain't gonna happen,

That is your propaganda, not mine.

Nonsense, and I honstely don'T care for who has which friends, what kind of colleagues, what people to live together in a community. I just say that the insttiotuion of the family is spoecial, and important, and of vital interest, and while i8t is indeed under attack already and destroyed in the name of left idoelogy and better availabiulty of the "human resource" on the labour market so that poeople sopend more time in jobs instead with their children and families, well, while I realsie that this takes place, this doe snot atumotaically means itr is somethign good that happens. It is not, I see, becasue the degenration of moral and socialstandards, the desintegration of self-inhibitory limits regarding egoism, exhibitionism, violence and overstepping moral limits, does not just fall from the sky but is caused by soemthing, and a major part from that is the modenr chnages ine ducatiuon - or lack of education that it often is. The family should be a legally protected and materially priviliged institutions indeed. Gay or lesbian couples mean nothing for a soceity,. they are totally irrelevant for society - like I am irrelevant to society as well in the meaning that this single that I am does fulfills no contributiing function by just being a single. Fpor society, gay couples mean nothing, and I fail to see anything being accopmplished by two men or two women living together. They are free to do so already. Why giving them the ssame respoect that I claim should be reserved for family? They just do not earn it, like I also do not earn any special respect for being a single, or for meeting a friend and watching a movie with him/her/them together. It is of no interest for society whether we do that.

Hell, some idiots even go as far as demanding that schools should encourage young children to expolore homsoexcual experiences as well in order to undersatand them better and not to "discriminate" them. Hell, am I the only one thinkling that this is just plainout SICK?

It is not discmri8nating atr all to tell gay or lesbian couples they are nothign special. A family is somethign special, and it gioves a contriobtuion to the fututree of a society that friendship or colleagues alone cannot come up with. And here is the problem of the whole gay debate: that it is called discrimination if interst groups and activists are not given special respect for - essentially for nothing, they did nothing that justfies the special inetesr and restct that cinstanbtly claim. Gays are just gays. Singles are just singles. Friends are just friends. Fine. More they are not. No contribution. No acchievement. Nothing special and wonderfl in their nature. The most absurd propaganda ohrase in all this is this stupid word of "gay pride". Pardon, but when by your genes you are gay, or transsexual, or crosssexual - what is there that justifies a feeling of "pride" Should I be proud of my hair colour now, or what? My hair is what it is, and pride has nothing to do with it. My sexual orientation and preferences are what they are, and again pride has nothing to do with it. If somebody would have talked of "white pride", he alraedy wpuld have been crucified by political correctness, and would be randmarked as a racist. But "gay pride" is acceptable a term? Well, to me it just ilustzrates how stupid and upblown ther whole "debate" is. If somebody is proud for being gay, he really has lost his marbles, I would say. He is what he is - and full stop right there. Leave him that way, but special rewspoct payed, pride atributed, equal status like for couples that indeed contribute to the social interest of society by aising children, hopefully - no, not with me.

And once again I ask why gay and lesbian couples deserve so much more respect, than singles like me. What makes the gay couple so much more valuable and special and precious that it should be given legal privileges that singles do not have, even beneficial tax status maybe, that again singles do not enjoy? Sorry, that is dicrimination of singles.

that one must explain modern Westerners why family and a protected framework for the raising of children is important and of vital inerest for the social health of a society, tells me how sick and really degenerated our sense of sociality already is. We crucify and destroy ourselves over our pedantic micro-balancing of political correctness. But all you need to do is visit a hectic kindergarden with 2 and 3 year old that have been taken away from their parents and mothers, and compare that to the situation of children playing in the framework of a home with mother or father around, and no hectic and constant nervousness around. There is a reason why chikldren if being forced into Kindergarden and early schooling too young develope a weak immune system, and have a very much higher risk of developeing concentration deficits, behaviour aberration, psychological problems, and in the adulthood after shcool also run a highe rsk for psychological symptoms like depressions, suicides tendencies, and personality changes. The roots for who we become, get polanted in our very youngest chidhood already, and if society messes around with that phase of a human's biography, than this makes itself felt sooner or later.

Many of you guys just donb'T see that. You take opportnistically isolated glimpses at this or that, and refuse to see that they are all linked and connected in one higher order of framework. Like somebody seeing a tree, and look, there is another tree, and a third tree, why is there even a fourth tree! and look, there is another one, where did it come from, and the sixth tree over there, why is it there? If you get consummed by always self-isolated details always, and never open the eyes to see greater contexts, then you just miss that you are not dealing with just individual trees, but witzh the higher context that his ecosystem called "forest" is, and that forms its own relaities and runs its own rules - that you cannot conclude on when always just looking at one tree at a time.


We are a heterosexual species, biologically and psychologically evolutionary processes has made us and many other species to run like this. Aberrations take place, from gay people and cross-sexual people (wrong sexual identity locked in a wrong biologic body) to albinos. But albinos are no norm, nor are bleeders or carriers of other defective genes causing serious diseases. Homosexuality is no disease maybe, but it is an aberration from the way our species is meant to run the survival process. One should not deny this, and that is why I say that while e should not discriminate albinos or gays/lesbians, there also is no reason to give the equal respect and priviliges protective status like social institution that - different to gay couples or singles or albinos - indeed play a vital role for the society. Being gay or lesbian, does not make you anything special, it only makes you different. You have nothing gained by being that that deserves special respect and tribute being payed to you. There is no reason to be proud of being gay, like there is no reason to be proud of being a white, a red-.haired, or having eyes with blue iris.

So lets stop this daily attention-craving. Let'S worry more about the pitiful state that the family-institution is in. Different to singles living single or gays marrying or not, that IS an important and decisive issue for a change. And as I have indicated, it is embedded in a much greater context.

Not everything that is sold as "progress of culture", in modern present times indeed is a progress. All too often now it is just the rejection and destruction of culture, and declaring dilletantism a virtue and chaos resulting from the lack of substance the glory of the new world order.