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Skybird · 11-02-12, 06:48 PM

Just some brief remarks to Catfish.

The European Court in Human Rights is under extremely strong influence by the political lobby that also massively influences the EU itself. To say the court in rfeality has nothing to do with the EU, is naively closing the eyes before the rwlaity now dmionating. It may not hjave been founded as a body of the EU, but in the modern present, it is not independent from t he EU anymore. Practical procedures see finetuning in close cooperation with EU bodies and offices. The coiurt today is more a body of the EU hierarchy, than it is independent in the historical way you describe.

Britain would likely be offered priviliged market access in a bit for making it to change its mind over time. Turkey has the same, for example.

The EU is turning more and more into a planned economy and an system oike we have seen in form of the Soviet system, like Germany today has uncomfrotable paralleles to the former GDR as well, thansk to Merkel and her systematic erosion of democratic basic principles. It'S emmbers lose more and more freedom, so do the citizens. We see wq growing trend towards media regulation, limiting free media and free speech, criminalisaiton of criticism of relgion and even the EU itself, and thisa parallel to the silent expropriation of private savings in form of state-wanted financial repression (negative interests that allow states to reduce their debts by eating up private savings).

I would be careful to say the EU "speaks with one voice" at international events. Back at home, the national interests and even private egos of polticians torpedoe statements made on the supra-European level all to often, and EU ideas too often do not work. The Chinese never were stopped by this "united Europe" to outmanouver Europe nevertheless to bolster their eocniomic raise. Diplomatically, neither the Us nor China takes the Eu for seriousor important anymore. Obama relatively openly even ignored diplomatic initiaves by the EU. EU representatives and head sof states even were ignored and not informed when the global big players like China, america, India, Brazil met for talks at international conferences. Everybody knows: the EU is not united at all, and we see that in all clearness in the Euro crisis. There also is no unity between the EU politeska, and the citizens of the European states. Because, as I said, the system too much is like the Soviet system already. And more and more people become aware of that.

Suisse will be in the EU in less than 10 years. Hm. Allow me to bet against that? I know some Swiss people, and their mentality. Different to what pro-EU media say, the Swiss for the most want to have not too much to do with the EU, or the Euro. The Swiss central bank has just sold one sixth of its euro-reserves, and replaced that with other currencies. Many referendums they have held came to outcomes over several issues that were a slap in the face of the official EU positions on these things. Ten years ago or so I made the mistake to tell Oberon that the Brits will introduce the Euro within the next ten years. Now you make a similar mistake regarding the Swiss.

Well, makes me feel less lonely anymore.

11-02-12, 06:48 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Just some brief remarks to Catfish. The European Court in Human Rights is under extremely strong influence by the political lobby that also massively influences the EU itself. To say the court in rfeality has nothing to do with the EU, is naively closing the eyes before the rwlaity now dmionating. It may not hjave been founded as a body of the EU, but in the modern present, it is not independent from t he EU anymore. Practical procedures see finetuning in close cooperation with EU bodies and offices. The coiurt today is more a body of the EU hierarchy, than it is independent in the historical way you describe. Britain would likely be offered priviliged market access in a bit for making it to change its mind over time. Turkey has the same, for example. The EU is turning more and more into a planned economy and an system oike we have seen in form of the Soviet system, like Germany today has uncomfrotable paralleles to the former GDR as well, thansk to Merkel and her systematic erosion of democratic basic principles. It'S emmbers lose more and more freedom, so do the citizens. We see wq growing trend towards media regulation, limiting free media and free speech, criminalisaiton of criticism of relgion and even the EU itself, and thisa parallel to the silent expropriation of private savings in form of state-wanted financial repression (negative interests that allow states to reduce their debts by eating up private savings). I would be careful to say the EU "speaks with one voice" at international events. Back at home, the national interests and even private egos of polticians torpedoe statements made on the supra-European level all to often, and EU ideas too often do not work. The Chinese never were stopped by this "united Europe" to outmanouver Europe nevertheless to bolster their eocniomic raise. Diplomatically, neither the Us nor China takes the Eu for seriousor important anymore. Obama relatively openly even ignored diplomatic initiaves by the EU. EU representatives and head sof states even were ignored and not informed when the global big players like China, america, India, Brazil met for talks at international conferences. Everybody knows: the EU is not united at all, and we see that in all clearness in the Euro crisis. There also is no unity between the EU politeska, and the citizens of the European states. Because, as I said, the system too much is like the Soviet system already. And more and more people become aware of that. Suisse will be in the EU in less than 10 years. Hm. Allow me to bet against that? I know some Swiss people, and their mentality. Different to what pro-EU media say, the Swiss for the most want to have not too much to do with the EU, or the Euro. The Swiss central bank has just sold one sixth of its euro-reserves, and replaced that with other currencies. Many referendums they have held came to outcomes over several issues that were a slap in the face of the official EU positions on these things. Ten years ago or so I made the mistake to tell Oberon that the Brits will introduce the Euro within the next ten years. Now you make a similar mistake regarding the Swiss. Well, makes me feel less lonely anymore. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.