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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
Just to make sure you're clear on my motives, I wasn't challenging anything you said. I don't begin to understand, but I had to ask the question of how they could be sure of anything that may or may not have existed before existence as we know it started existing.
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No misunderstanding here Sailor Steve
to be honest I saw this thread as a chance for a bit of a laugh is all. You know, science/religion deathmatch kind of thing. So yeah I just replied in my own way, to me it was funny, but then as the saying goes 'I do amuse myself sometimes'
Ahhh but the idea that existence as we know it started existing at any point is yet again another anthropologically hampered idea. We do not know if existence existed before our universe existed or not. If it did it was likely not existence as we know it. but it was still existence, simply of a different kind. Different dimensions curled up, maybe only 2 of space but with an extra time or 3, or maybe no time dimension but 23 of space etc.. who knows? not I. What I do know is that the contemporary mathematical models of the big bang absolutely require a pre-existing state of something, in order for the bang to occur. This is where the mathematical models of Brane or M-Theory and string theory come in, as they deal with these extra dimensions and are capable of describing different states of existence, rather than cheating and inserting the 'singularity' about which there can be no mathematical model, as the singularity is where the equations regarding mass/energy/time/space result in infinity. In maths, infinity is almost certainly an indication that your maths is broken.
I did not intend to tread on anyones sensiblities regarding religion, I have my own views and humour and here in this thread I felt it was on topic to express them. Feel free to ridicule them and have a laugh on me folks. Honestly when science gets this abstracted, I couldn't really blame anyone for looking at it the way I look at religion.
I got to admit talking about nothing presents some interesting grammatical problems. Reminded me of Arnold J Rimmer, 'it may be going to not be happening, but it hasn't not yet happened happened going to be...' *trails off looking confused*
Anyway the best wisdom consists in knowing that which you know amounts to nothing compared to what there is to be known. But you know this already! and I know that you know. Now you know that I know that you know. And still the sum total of all we know is naught.
Regards, Sam.