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Originally Posted by Sammi79
I must disagree with the suggestion that time before the big bang is off limits to physicists. Most now are confident that there was a sort of something before from which the big bang manifested.
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"Confident" in what regard? On what do they base their confidence? Anybody can have an idea, and their ideas are certainly more educated than mine, but from where I stand it still looks like pure guesswork.
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Be careful not to misuse the word theory. In this context, theory is the best possible current explanation of the evidence.
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I understand that concept, but what evidence is there for what went (or didn't go) before?
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Also the questions regarding everything from nothing have no meaning without first defining nothing, which is a nothing that we have no evidence for at all.
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Which puts it back into the realm of guessing, not theory.
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As far as we can see, the closest thing to ultimate nothing we can observe is a complete vacuum, but this sort of nothing still has dimensions and can still contain energy as light passes through it, amongst other quantum processes that cause various quanta to appear and disappear seemingly at random, even occasionally forming into baryonic matter, which is either quickly disassembled by the inverse pressure of the vacuum or through a wave function suddenly teleports somewhere outside of the vacuum.
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But is there any clue at all to what the "nothing" was like before the universe existed? If not, then again all the speculation in the world still means...well, nothing.
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So this complete vacuum nothing certainly appears to be a something that other somethings can and do spontaneously spring from. Did ultimate nothing ever exist? if it did wouldn't that imply that nothing is actually a kind of something? will we ever create this ultimate nothing so we can test it? wouldn't that also define it as something? Oh no I've gone cross eyed...
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You and me both, brother.
And as for "Deicide"? well, my God can beat up your God! How do I know this? Because I believe it, so there!
