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Sammi79 · 10-20-12, 10:38 AM

@Vendor

Thanks for the article, I must disagree with the suggestion that time before the big bang is off limits to physicists. Most now are confident that there was a sort of something before from which the big bang manifested. That something is generally expected to have had some kind of time dimension(s) M-theory or Brane theory and String theory have some interesting ideas about this - ideas only you understand, not facts or theories.
The Higgs particle has been found yes. But this is actually quite disappointing for scientists as it is the last piece of the standard model puzzle. It implies that the standard model is correct, which leaves us with currently insurmountable problems regarding uncertainty and accessible information. It is like coming to the end of a long corridor only to find the door at the end was simply painted on solid rock.

@Skybird

Be careful not to misuse the word theory. In this context, theory is the best possible current explanation of the evidence. Also the questions regarding everything from nothing have no meaning without first defining nothing, which is a nothing that we have no evidence for at all. As far as we can see, the closest thing to ultimate nothing we can observe is a complete vacuum, but this sort of nothing still has dimensions and can still contain energy as light passes through it, amongst other quantum processes that cause various quanta to appear and disappear seemingly at random, even occasionally forming into baryonic matter, which is either quickly disassembled by the inverse pressure of the vacuum or through a wave function suddenly teleports somewhere outside of the vacuum.
So this complete vacuum nothing certainly appears to be a something that other somethings can and do spontaneously spring from. Did ultimate nothing ever exist? if it did wouldn't that imply that nothing is actually a kind of something? will we ever create this ultimate nothing so we can test it? wouldn't that also define it as something? Oh no I've gone cross eyed...

@Betonov

If I'm wrong and god exists, he/she/it won't exist for long after I die and catch hold of him/her/it. I am happily looking forward to my deathly oblivion, and if I don't get it there is going to be hell to pay, seriously

Deicide ain't murder if you're already dead, right?

10-20-12, 10:38 AM	#4
Sammi79 XO Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Penzance Posts: 428 Downloads: 272 Uploads: 0	@Vendor Thanks for the article, I must disagree with the suggestion that time before the big bang is off limits to physicists. Most now are confident that there was a sort of something before from which the big bang manifested. That something is generally expected to have had some kind of time dimension(s) M-theory or Brane theory and String theory have some interesting ideas about this - ideas only you understand, not facts or theories. The Higgs particle has been found yes. But this is actually quite disappointing for scientists as it is the last piece of the standard model puzzle. It implies that the standard model is correct, which leaves us with currently insurmountable problems regarding uncertainty and accessible information. It is like coming to the end of a long corridor only to find the door at the end was simply painted on solid rock. @Skybird Be careful not to misuse the word theory. In this context, theory is the best possible current explanation of the evidence. Also the questions regarding everything from nothing have no meaning without first defining nothing, which is a nothing that we have no evidence for at all. As far as we can see, the closest thing to ultimate nothing we can observe is a complete vacuum, but this sort of nothing still has dimensions and can still contain energy as light passes through it, amongst other quantum processes that cause various quanta to appear and disappear seemingly at random, even occasionally forming into baryonic matter, which is either quickly disassembled by the inverse pressure of the vacuum or through a wave function suddenly teleports somewhere outside of the vacuum. So this complete vacuum nothing certainly appears to be a something that other somethings can and do spontaneously spring from. Did ultimate nothing ever exist? if it did wouldn't that imply that nothing is actually a kind of something? will we ever create this ultimate nothing so we can test it? wouldn't that also define it as something? Oh no I've gone cross eyed... @Betonov If I'm wrong and god exists, he/she/it won't exist for long after I die and catch hold of him/her/it. I am happily looking forward to my deathly oblivion, and if I don't get it there is going to be hell to pay, seriously Deicide ain't murder if you're already dead, right? __________________ Gadewais fy beic nghadwyno i'r rhai a rheiliau, pan wnes i ddychwelyd, yno mae'n roedd... Wedi mynd.