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soopaman2 · 09-24-12, 04:54 PM

This kind of reminds me of something I read a long time ago.

It was a debate about whether the information attained by Josef Mengele, and Japans unit 731 was "ethical" as medical research.

As a recap, they froze people and attempted to bring them back, amputated limbs, and switched them with others, exposed them to high altitude pressures, extended water immersion experiments etc... I am sure googling "unit 731" or Mengeles experiments, will net you a good idea what they did. Unit 731 was way worse in this case, as it was done for amusement as well as science.

It had brutal results on the Chinese and Jews who had to endure this.

But as barbaric as it was, it had viable medical data. The article drew no conclusion, it allowed you to do it yourself.

But it is a definite debate considering how into eugenics the Germans were at that time, and just how heartless (barbaric, rascist, I can't find a right word, I am dumb, pardon me) the Japanese were.

The validity was always called into question due to the outright barbarism of the acts.

Sure a far extreme case(s), but who decides ethics?

09-24-12, 04:54 PM	#5
soopaman2 Der Alte Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,316 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 0	This kind of reminds me of something I read a long time ago. It was a debate about whether the information attained by Josef Mengele, and Japans unit 731 was "ethical" as medical research. As a recap, they froze people and attempted to bring them back, amputated limbs, and switched them with others, exposed them to high altitude pressures, extended water immersion experiments etc... I am sure googling "unit 731" or Mengeles experiments, will net you a good idea what they did. Unit 731 was way worse in this case, as it was done for amusement as well as science. It had brutal results on the Chinese and Jews who had to endure this. But as barbaric as it was, it had viable medical data. The article drew no conclusion, it allowed you to do it yourself. But it is a definite debate considering how into eugenics the Germans were at that time, and just how heartless (barbaric, rascist, I can't find a right word, I am dumb, pardon me) the Japanese were. The validity was always called into question due to the outright barbarism of the acts. Sure a far extreme case(s), but who decides ethics? __________________ If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons. -Winston Churchill- The most fascinating man in the world.