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Skybird · 08-30-12, 03:56 PM

There are substantial, basic and most profound total incompatabiloties between Islamic ideology on the one hand, and Western values that are claimed by Western policies and societies on their behalf, and that both are basing on these. That is why it is not just any important but a vital question whether political actors act on the grounds of Islamic values or not.

And since you can act on behalf of Islamic values without formally claiming to be Muslim yourself, may it be for reasons of appeasement and fear, or reasons of misled tolerance and "meaning it well", the question indeed is not whether or not Obama formally cofnesses to beMuslim or not, but the quesiton is does he act in help of deceiving people over Islam, glossing over it, and helping it to spread, or does he help to spread education about Islam, containing its global claim for dominance and superiority.

Since his unbelievable propaganda stunt that now is known as his "Cairo speech", the answer to this vital question is obvious. I do not know ehther hje is a secret Muslim,a nd I do not carew. What he does, and what he aims at and indicates he wants to accomplish - this is what makes me an enemy of him.

WillRomney be b etter? I absolutely doubt it. Business is business. Dependency is dependency. And as a M ormon Romney cannot claim to be free of believing in - in Mormons' case especially hilarious - hallucinations. Only the stories told by Ron Hubbard tops the Mormon genesis. Mormons or scientologists, Obama or Romney - its the choice between plague and cholera. They all four get my middle finger.

I recommend - once again, I linked it several times now - to compare the UN declaration of human rights , and the Islamic human rights declaration. Both are lightyears apart and in several most important issues they are antagonistic and mutually exlcusive. You can have the one only at the price of rejecting the other - YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH.

Regarding Yubba'S thread on the democrats concention, these American conventions are freak shows anyway, Micky Mouse parades and a monumental display or stellar narcism and blown up egos. Seen that way, religious pharisees who take it upon them to give this madness their ver own, very precious, very personal blessing - , perfectly matches the gneral lunacy on display. On the other hand, one must ask what business religious imposters have to do in politics, why they get invited to political conventions, and why religion and politics get mixed when the the founding documents of the US clearly indicate that there shall be a strict separation between religions and pltics. As I see it, religion shall have no seat at the table of politics.

But is it really about politics anyway?

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,696 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	There are substantial, basic and most profound total incompatabiloties between Islamic ideology on the one hand, and Western values that are claimed by Western policies and societies on their behalf, and that both are basing on these. That is why it is not just any important but a vital question whether political actors act on the grounds of Islamic values or not. And since you can act on behalf of Islamic values without formally claiming to be Muslim yourself, may it be for reasons of appeasement and fear, or reasons of misled tolerance and "meaning it well", the question indeed is not whether or not Obama formally cofnesses to beMuslim or not, but the quesiton is does he act in help of deceiving people over Islam, glossing over it, and helping it to spread, or does he help to spread education about Islam, containing its global claim for dominance and superiority. Since his unbelievable propaganda stunt that now is known as his "Cairo speech", the answer to this vital question is obvious. I do not know ehther hje is a secret Muslim,a nd I do not carew. What he does, and what he aims at and indicates he wants to accomplish - this is what makes me an enemy of him. WillRomney be b etter? I absolutely doubt it. Business is business. Dependency is dependency. And as a M ormon Romney cannot claim to be free of believing in - in Mormons' case especially hilarious - hallucinations. Only the stories told by Ron Hubbard tops the Mormon genesis. Mormons or scientologists, Obama or Romney - its the choice between plague and cholera. They all four get my middle finger. I recommend - once again, I linked it several times now - to compare the UN declaration of human rights , and the Islamic human rights declaration. Both are lightyears apart and in several most important issues they are antagonistic and mutually exlcusive. You can have the one only at the price of rejecting the other - YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH. Regarding Yubba'S thread on the democrats concention, these American conventions are freak shows anyway, Micky Mouse parades and a monumental display or stellar narcism and blown up egos. Seen that way, religious pharisees who take it upon them to give this madness their ver own, very precious, very personal blessing - , perfectly matches the gneral lunacy on display. On the other hand, one must ask what business religious imposters have to do in politics, why they get invited to political conventions, and why religion and politics get mixed when the the founding documents of the US clearly indicate that there shall be a strict separation between religions and pltics. As I see it, religion shall have no seat at the table of politics. But is it really about politics anyway? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.