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What do you mean "besides UBI"? Are they into subsims anymore? There are no others that I know of that are serious.
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that anwers my question, guess i will stick with SH4 and keep my eye on SH5, thanks.
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i would call sh5 a teenager, its come a long way and mods have made it a great game but its still maturing and still has a long way to go yet
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Maybe i will give it another chance in time..