[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I said you sidetracked it with your bogus comparisons. You keep avoiding that.

No - post 70 and 85:

Your desire to use the government to enforce it is.

Yes, it was you who sidetracked it. It was you pointed out that you wish for government to withhold the right of gays to marry, and you've been dancing around that accusation but never quite answering it.

You said I sidetracked by saying that I wish for government to withold the right of gays to marry. So now your saying not only did I say something I didn't say, your claiming you didn't say what you said! Unreal....

Now you're jumping into "I'm being attacked" mode, another of your favorite diversions. I never said, or implied, that your opinion is unwelcome. I only commented on the cheap tactics you use, and even that is only my opinion.

No - I am pointing out that you have made up crap by claiming I have said something I didn't. How would you take that if someone did it to you?

Fair enough. You did say that. You should have stuck with that high road and refused to be drawn in.

Drawn in? You mean someone else changed the subject and by responding I am at fault for sidetracking? So your admitting that someone else broached different subjects, but you still blame me for it all. Again - yea ok....

If you reread my initial post (#70) you'll see that my "sidetracking" comment was aimed directly at what I repeated here - your bogus comparison, and nothing else. In that post I only responded to what you said in this thread regarding the subject.

Again - bullcrap. You state in that thread that I desire to use government to enforce no gays being married. Yes again - you can't show me where I say that "in this thread"! That seems to me to be a response to your view of me and based on something not in this thread. Takeda accused me of wanting that, you picked it up and when I have tried to deal with the accusation, you have just added to it with further accusations of me saying things I haven't, sidetracking, etc.

You have yet to answer what I said there other than with prevarication and dodging.... I answered specific comments made by you, and you have yet to answer my response.

Again - if you would stop reading "between the lines" to see what you want and instead actually read what I have written without prejudging it, maybe you would see your answer. I said I don't have an issue with your points on criminals and the mentally ill.

You changed the subject with your comparisons, which had nothing to do with either your original post or reality. I responded directly to what you had said.

The first 2 comparisons I have dealt with - and saying that talking about restricting politicians when the original post is about how politicians were abusing their office and that should not be allows has EVERYTHING to do with the original post. DUH!

No, I explained exactly what I meant several times, and you are still avoiding it.

Only if you choose to ignore what I write......

As for my own feelings, I've already said that I avoided entering this thread (except for my playful comment to Frau Kaleun) until you started using bad debate tactics in the form of diversion.

So you jumped in because you didn't like some of my comparisons. Fine. So why jump on me over the hypocrit issue? Why claim I said something I didn't? Why say its my fault that the thing gets sidetracked when I proved that it wasn't me that even brought up the marriage and government question? Why suggest/imply I have a problem with a mod just because I use his (right and proper) actions to demonstrate the difference between good official uses and bad ones?

These kind of reactions - and your continuation of "trying to move the ball" to defend your actions while ignoring my answers simply doesn't make sense if you just didn't like me using criminals and mentally ill people as examples of reasonable restrictions. If that was the only problem, this would have been gone a while ago.

Whatever the real issue is - my PM box is open. We can deal with it there as necessary.