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You offer these scenarios as if they would mean real alternatives to judge differently, where in fact thay all are bad.
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No I didn't. They are all bad. That's why I listed them.
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Let me ask you questions by your own ruleset, then: when a priest rapes a child, is it a bigger sin if he does it outside a holy church? If Iranian girls in prison get executed, is it a bigger sin to do that without raping them first? If parents beat up their child, is it less criminal and less terrible for the child if afterwards it is found that they were drunk?
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Again, no. It's all bad.
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You get my point about your logic.
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No I don't. I think you missed my point.
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As a matter of fact we have several laws in place that empowers the authorities to intervene ....
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Yes, most democratic societies have these laws. The question is, how can they be enforced? If a child shows up at school with obvious signs of physical abuse most of the time something is done. On the other hand if that child is being abused in any of the ways I mentioned there is little or nothing the state can do. You cannot force people to love their children or be a good role model for them. If you could we would be living in a perfect world. My point, and I hope I'm not over stating it, is that there are far worse things being done to children every day.
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Wrong. Research done by doctors and psychologists by using questiuonaires showed that many men, up to one third some numbers sdaid, deeply regret what had been done to them, and say they feel limited in their way to enjoy sensual pleasure from sexuality.
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Can't say. Not circumcised . Ask August.
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One thing Judiasm, Islam and Christinaity all have in common, is the extremely pathologic atttioude towards sexuality, and the perverted relation between men and women, the latter beign declared subject of minor grace and value and thus being subordinate to men. To destryo healthy mutual realtions between thew sexes, to pervert sexuality and making it something disgraceful and painful, at least unpleasurable, of course helps in keeping this rotten gender model alive. Many critics of Islam say what Islamic societies desperately need, is a sexual revolution to get rid of all the supressed sexual complexes of males that lead to their aggressive attitude of women, and that these societies need a recognition of femaqles equal rights and importance for a heakthy,m functiuonal society. They are absolutely right there. Interestingly, this often is said by apostates from Islam, it seems to me these people are more aware of this than most non-Muslim Islam-critics .
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Is that so? Funny thing, but now as a Christian I have a far more open and healthier attitude toward sex and towards women than I ever had as a non-believer. Then again, I can't speak for any one else. Maybe you shouldn't either.
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Exactly that is the issue, yes. That most circumcisions are not done due to medical indication but due to religion - right that is the issue indeed.
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No argument there.