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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen
We need to stop parents from getting their little girl's ears pierced. This sort of loblular multilation is nothing more than an archaic vanity practice from the dark ages of man. These parents are criminals, nothing more. When an individual comes of the age of majority, they can decide if they wish to undertake this barbaric practice on their own accord. Our children have a right not to have notions of societal conformity placed upon them until they themselves are informed enough to make that decision.
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Such a
crap - from
you...? Tak, you are better than that.
Sorry, but the things do not compare, and you should know that better. Not only is it hardly the parents, but the girls that want their mom'S to allow they getting an ear lobe pierced (or want a tatoo), but the piercing of an ear lobe does not compare to the removal of an integral part of the genital that has a protective function, a sexual function, and is not just some useless piece of skin, but comes along with 2-3 hundred meters (!) of nerve fibres, and in fact means the removal of not just a small piece of skin but up to one third of the penis' skin and especially the frenulum whichis a highly sensitive tissues - at the cost of intense pain (mind you: in most countries it still is egal to get it done without injection, and the tradiiton even demaqnds it to be done without injection), severe risk of medical complications that could cause additonal lifelong damage - additional to the obvious damage that is already done, plus infections making additonal surgery necessary, or criplling the sexuality of the baby/child in later years when it has become an adult.
If you compare that to piericing an ear lobe, then this shows how despertaely you cravy to find a reaosnbale arugment allowing mutolaiton of babies and children in the modern time anymore, on the asis of relgious ideology and superstititoion only, and enforced by social pressure of cultural perr groupos (Muslims, Jews) and fear by families for social isolation if they do not fulfill the command of the anonymous master in the sky.
It does not compare. Get it, please. It's so obvious and really not difficult to see. Promised.
In the Netherlands, Dutch medical profession have released a position paper and announcement that clearly expressed the Dutch doctors' opposition against medically non-indicated gentical surgery. In most countries of the West "cosmetical surgery" is forbidden below a certain age, even if the parents would allow it. In Germany, piercings, tatoos, branding are not allowed for teens below the age of 18 even if the parents would allow it. In Sweden, circumcision without injection is simply
banned. The Swedes also have made a minimum age mandatory, I do not know though what age that is. And the essay I linked says that in whole Scandinavia the issue gets increasingly debated time and again since several years. I also linked an article today that says that the number of cirumcisions done in the Us has dropped from 90% of males in the 70s, to 50% in 2006 and 35% today. I referred earlier to the treend in Israel where a - since years slowly increaisng - number of secular Jews at leats have doubts and express criticism, admitting they do not do it for rtelgious reaosns, but only due to fear of social repressions. One third of Israelis are like that, a study from 2006 says.
The WHO gets quoted with saiyng that wordwide, 30% of all mmales are circumcised. OIfd these, 70% are Muslims, 1% are Jews, and 13% are american males not confessing to any religion. (February 2011).
Tak, you are a decent and intelligent guy. Please do not bother me with this strawman argument you just gave, this hollow rethoric. You know it better, I'm sure.
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