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Old 07-06-12, 07:09 PM   #51
Tribesman
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Watch yourself. It's a long fall.
Firstly take a look at terms and conditions applicable to the specific laws you are trying to throw around willy nilly.
If you are unable to then retire from the debate for being clueless then so be it.
If however you are ready to enter debate on the subject please explain how the terms of employment and conditions of employment rules do not apply in the arguemetnt you are trying to establish in regards to the proceedure and the laws covering itas the legal example you cite allows for those terms and conditions.....simple isn't it.

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Fired lifeguard gets key to city! I believe dessenting opinion would indicate he did the correct thing despite company policy.
No that implies public consensus based on ignorance and media stories. How many people on this forum have claimed he saved a life by rescueing someone from the sea?

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I think the final argument that the firing was wrong is in the article Tribesman linked himself.

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@steve
No that arguement is that the private company caved to totally uninformed public opinion, in terms of life saving that arguement has absolutely no validity.
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There is only one proper way to act in situation like this...that is to save life.
terms and conditions apply MH
which if you look at any of the real laws Tak tries to use through google they are well catered for as its a serious issue

@ AVG
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No sir, the terms of employment are only partial of the discussion.
No the duty to rescue ("good samaritan") not good samaritan is entirely dependant on terms and conditions relating to employment.
It is the purpose of the law.
@Krnznji
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Hard to say as I don't know that town.
It reinforces the point(I happened to be having dinner with that sergeant this evening) procesesess have to be followed as life saving is a bloody risky business.
At no point and under no circumstances should any beach lifeguard even consider the rescue I outlined and any that abandoed their post is guilty of gross neliigence of duty. any guadai or any fireman not designated trained and equipped for water rescue is likewise screwed. the RNLI are likewise contained as unless they can beat the designated police or fire service up river onshore then their job is to cover past the bottom bridge in the lifeboat for recovery.
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Its a bit hard to discuss about this case based on news articles as they seem to be describing different incident.
Its the same incident but many people seem to be argueng for a fictional incident where they are getting an emotional angle on it

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Hard to say as I don't know that town.
I chose that as it is a good example, I could have picked a dozen other examples without going past Silver Strand any of which comes down to really bloody basic stuff, slack tide at Spanish Arch is another classic lesson which can easily be applied worldwide for Lifeguards or any other competant person.

Let me restate my position for anyone like Tak who missed it by a mile.
As a person Lopez did an action that may be justifiable even tough he didn't save a life and didn't rescue any one.
As a lifeguard he screwed up big time with no justification and has no recourse apart from the public opinion and bad publicity from people that don't understand what a life guard is.
Some people are letting their emotions rule their minds, I can undertand that on a snap decision but it doesn't make it right.
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