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Skybird · 06-28-12, 11:01 AM

That is no "bull", that is exactly what it is. An extremely painful and often traumatising expereince. Until this morning I thought that at least it would be done with local anaestitics, but I meanwhile learned better: at least in Muslim communities it must be done without.

You cannot campaign against the circumcision of females but accept it for boys. That would be a completely self-contradicting opinion.

Aother German comment, his time from the perspective of a Turkish woman in Germany, Necla Kelec, a known critic of Islam and Turkish rejection of integration in Germany, and a profound sociologist and publicist, she is author of several books on the matter. She fled from her family and is an apostate. She accuses Germans of shying away from the confrontation with Islam, being unwilling to value the freedom that they have and take it for granted, and giving too much ground to it. In the german debate on Islam, I count her as a heavy-weight. Politicians avoid her (she is too competent to buy their appeasing lies), and Muslim lobby groups dispise and hate her as an enemy and apostate.

http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentar...uer-Allah.html

It is interesting that the sacrifice for thei deity is not being done by cutting the nosetip, or the earlobes or a piece of a finger, but the sexual organs. All three desert dogmas are obsessed with supressing sexuality, and turning into into a perverted, often brutally sanctioned stigma of man, a sign of sin, a cause of endless guilt, an alibi for supression of women, and life-long neurosis and traumatization. Every year several hundred thousand girls and women are estimated to die miserably due to having been circumcised, the suffering is unimaginable, so is the pain, the shock, and the trauma. The result is a lifelong horror of sexual intercourse, which always means just pain, no pleasure, and I can only speculate how it messes up healthy relations between a man and a woman when the man knows that sex always hurts the woman even if he approaches her in a loving, careful attitude (mind you, by Quranic descritpions women are no real hmans but somethign like satanic halflings, that must be controlled and kept in check, so do not read too much into it when I mentioned the possibility that man may apoproach woman in acaring, loving attitude - one of thr worst fates oyu can suffer is to live as a female in some of the most backwardly Muslim place son this planet, let'S say Afghansitan for example). We ban this circumcision of women and campaign against it when it effects girls and young women, but we shall tolerate it in case of boys - for nothing better, for nothing less non-substantial than religious claim and hear-say? We cannot be serious. Religion does not deserve this, it is nothign that justifies this repeal of mental sanity and reasonability - and humanism.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,744 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	That is no "bull", that is exactly what it is. An extremely painful and often traumatising expereince. Until this morning I thought that at least it would be done with local anaestitics, but I meanwhile learned better: at least in Muslim communities it must be done without. You cannot campaign against the circumcision of females but accept it for boys. That would be a completely self-contradicting opinion. Aother German comment, his time from the perspective of a Turkish woman in Germany, Necla Kelec, a known critic of Islam and Turkish rejection of integration in Germany, and a profound sociologist and publicist, she is author of several books on the matter. She fled from her family and is an apostate. She accuses Germans of shying away from the confrontation with Islam, being unwilling to value the freedom that they have and take it for granted, and giving too much ground to it. In the german debate on Islam, I count her as a heavy-weight. Politicians avoid her (she is too competent to buy their appeasing lies), and Muslim lobby groups dispise and hate her as an enemy and apostate. http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentar...uer-Allah.html It is interesting that the sacrifice for thei deity is not being done by cutting the nosetip, or the earlobes or a piece of a finger, but the sexual organs. All three desert dogmas are obsessed with supressing sexuality, and turning into into a perverted, often brutally sanctioned stigma of man, a sign of sin, a cause of endless guilt, an alibi for supression of women, and life-long neurosis and traumatization. Every year several hundred thousand girls and women are estimated to die miserably due to having been circumcised, the suffering is unimaginable, so is the pain, the shock, and the trauma. The result is a lifelong horror of sexual intercourse, which always means just pain, no pleasure, and I can only speculate how it messes up healthy relations between a man and a woman when the man knows that sex always hurts the woman even if he approaches her in a loving, careful attitude (mind you, by Quranic descritpions women are no real hmans but somethign like satanic halflings, that must be controlled and kept in check, so do not read too much into it when I mentioned the possibility that man may apoproach woman in acaring, loving attitude - one of thr worst fates oyu can suffer is to live as a female in some of the most backwardly Muslim place son this planet, let'S say Afghansitan for example). We ban this circumcision of women and campaign against it when it effects girls and young women, but we shall tolerate it in case of boys - for nothing better, for nothing less non-substantial than religious claim and hear-say? We cannot be serious. Religion does not deserve this, it is nothign that justifies this repeal of mental sanity and reasonability - and humanism. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 06-28-12 at 11:16 AM.