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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
On the other hand the whole argument diverts attention from the question of whether there is any evidence. "You're just as bad as I am!" doesn't make you any better. Firm belief seems to be a part of human nature. Whether this belief is a "gift from God" or just a particular of how the mind works is certainly debatable, but it always comes back to the same problem, which is whether there is a God to grant said gift.
So rather than toss out accusations of one side being as bad or worse than the other, how about showing something concrete.
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I sincerely hope that you are not suggesting that I have said "You're just as bad as I am!" or made accusations of one side being as bad or worse than the other. If you read every post I have made on this thread you will see that I have said nothing disparaging about atheists or Atheism. That is not my style. If I have please point it out an I will apologize.
What I have made is an attempt to show that Atheism is a competing world view or with various religions and other world views. This is simply an opinion and not an original idea on my part.
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The bottom line here is that science investigates, examines, and creates theories. Faith does none of those. The theories may end up being true or false, but they are the best that can be proposed based on the available evidence. Skybird made a good argument for the nature of scientific theory, and no one has countered it yet.
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I am in complete agreement with this. I personally see no conflict between science and belief in God. I am sure I am not the only person who believes this.
As to the burden of proof mentioned earlier I believe it belongs to the ones who are most insistent in their belief. I am not. Again it is my own personal conviction. I feel no obligation to convince others of this fact.
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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
It's like the Sherlock Holmes conundrum. Science attempts to make theories that fit the facts. Faith attempts to make the facts fit predetermined beliefs. If you have a belief, for or against God, let's see some facts.
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Good point Steve. If I come up with any thing I'll let you know.
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Originally Posted by u crank
Probably. I didn't want to be too obvious, but yes Dawkins is certainly one of the most well known of the prophets of Atheism.
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Originally Posted by Skybird
Defamation of science and reason this claim is.
A prophet is somebody who claims to deliver the message of a supernatural entity, whose will is revelead to the prophet in visions or intuitions.
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I do not find the word offensive but if you do I retract it. My apologies to both you and Mr. Dawkins.