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It was not my intention to misquote you but to point out an ironic situation. Although the larger and more 'secular' forms of Christianity may concede ground to Islam, fundamental Christianity is directly opposed to it. It was supposed to be funny unlike this:
Or your version of a less hateful place.
If this is your vision of a better tomorrow, to hope for the eradication of thousands of years of history, literature and architecture, count me out. I miss judged you. If these people insist on their belief even after their books and buildings are destroyed what's next? Break a little glass. Perhaps a camp here and there.
Your view of unlimited internet freedom is somewhat tainted by this desire to suppress other peoples thoughts and beliefs.
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The church financed some arts, yes, but that does not make it the author or originator of it. Many arttists needed to make some living, and thuds had to accept to do ordered arts as well. And who else should have payed for them, if not the church? For centuries, the church was, beside the corrupt aristocracy, the only possible maecenas, since frarmer and odinary people were pressed out quite hefty by clergy and kings and lords as well.
Most of the cultural developement and arts last but not least comes from sources that were not patronised by the ch8urch,k but that the church bitterly fought against. Also, all our current freedoms and ideas about justice, humanism, sceluarism, did not appear because the church helped in them, but they appeared after centuries of bitter fight against the church that wanted to supress them, and did so mit unimaginably cruel means for long time. Our modern liberties have been wrested from the church against it bitter resistence. Heck, it is not even 20 years ago that the church, still growling, rehabilitated Gallileo Gallilei, and it has been only a few years that, as I already quoted, the pope told the American public that the Chriostian believers first and most impoortant duty is that he owes obedience - not to the teahcing of Jesus, not to thre semron of the mount, not to God no matter how you nimagine, no - your first and most imporetant duty is that you owe obedience to the
church.
What part exactly is it that makes you wonder why I have a problem with this church...???
I stand by it, without these evil sadistic three desert dogmas Judaism, Christinaity, and Muhameddanism, the world would be a better world, with less hate, less ointolerance, less violence. There would be less evil caused by relgious beliefs, legitmised by relgious beliefs, and carried out int her name of relgious beliefs. Beliefs that until today stand completely untested, always demand, want respect where there is nothing they would deserve it for, and carry out a lot of censorship and repression against those not agreeing with them.
Not depending on these, makes oyu a more moral being. Not depending on these, makes you a more reasonable being. Not depending on these makes you a more tolerant and kind being. Not depending on these makes oyu a person able to use its mind, while relgion wants to prohibit you to do just that.
So yes, let all churches, mosques and synagogues burn, burn Jerusalem and Bethlehem, Mekka and Medina and Vatican city. Consider it to be liberation day after 2000 years and more of bitter, inhumane tyranny. Consider it to be leaving intellectual slavery and abuse behind. A world not ruled by religious dogmas and theistic psychopaths in the sky that have made sadism there most favourite hobby, is a sane world, and a sane world is a better world, and it is a world that is more free, with better chances for the young who no longer get infested with the brain poison of guilt, submission, hate and fear.
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I'm disappointed. And I take it back. If this is your version of freedom of speech, it's somewhat corrupt and I won't stand with you.
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Don't be mistaken, if the talking about freedom of speech for you means to exclude religion from it since it deserve this precious "respect" that even free speech has to bow to, than you never have stood on my side at all.
Understand this: my freedom and the freedom of anybody who can appreciate the value of freedom is a thousand times more precious and important than the claim of any religion to be excluded from criticism or claims for respect that eligion wants, but does not deserve. The history of christian relgion, Judaism and Islam is a history of war after war, killing, murder, genocide, more war, torture, persectuion, supression, again some wars inbetween, discrimination, hate preachings, intimidation, some more wars to make it a round package, and above all the floating entity of the big eye in the sky that thratens even more of all this in case his excentric orders and commands for all this are not followed to the point. Speaking of being screwed no matter what you do!