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Originally Posted by Skybird
Had it thismorning myself, but passed on openiong a thread on it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18030105
I cannot comment by thta piec eon whether the course was going too far or not, but it certainly is true that the ideology of Islam itself is the problem. It is violent, it is totalitarian, it makes supremacist claims and raises the demand that there can be no peace as long as Islam does not rule all world, it is demanding slavery of females, it is demanding discrimination and subjugation of infidels, it is racist to the very bone. One needs to poke one'S eyes out with a pencil not to see that if one spends some time on investigating Quran and the history of Sharia, Sira and Hadith.
So, the basic premise of that course, that the war must be understood to be directed against a deeply hostile and inhumane ideology motivating barbarism since over a thousand years, is correct. On the conclusions they went to in that course, I will not comment without knowing more, and in context.
That now people criticising Islam for the above qualities get bashed again by calling them phobics and insanes, just shows me how insane the place of the world is I happen to live in. It's a madhouse that denies realities that does not fit it's wishful thinking. And I have tremendously lost inteerest and motivation in the past two or three years to defend in word or even in deed this sphere of walking idiots. The current Zeitgeist gives me the strong impression that Wetserners maybe deserve to live under EU tyranny and Sharia law. They deserve it becasue they have given up to want something better, fighting to gain it, and defending the cultural heritage of the past, namely freedom, the tradition of humanism and rationality, and secularism.
If you do not appreciate freedom, you do not deserve it. That's how I see it. It's like that with most iof not all precious things and qualities, isn't it. If you cannot appreciate something, then it is wasted on you.
If my conclusion on Islam - and fundamentalist religion in general - offends anyone, as far as I am concerned he can be offended and even can drop dead, if that is what he wants. There is no right not to be offended. And notoriously offended Mulims are a plague these days. These years. These centuries . Ehm - has it ever been different? The offence lies in something existing that is still not Islamic, maybe even decides to resists to it (not the West, certainly). That is evil at its best! |
I think it's wrong if you to judge Islam from Islam country in this era. Don't you know when Muhammad was still the leader of Islam in Mecca, there were still Jews and Chistians in Mecca? He protected them. Even they weren't muslim. He only fought people who went war against Islam. And they didn't kill civilians. What muslim did in that era was a true muslim. Try to read books whose writers are really know Islam from the inside and outside. The life of Islam in that era. And look, Indonesia which Islam are the dominant religion. Are ALL OF THE MUSLIM (I am sorry if the words in caps, I only want to make an assertion) hate the other religions? Hate Chirstians, Buddhism, Hinduism? All of them? No. They don't hate them. They don't offend them. They live in harmony. But still, Indonesia was attacked by terrorists. Said that Indonesian goverment supported the infidels. And the victims of the attack weren't only from foreign country, but Indonesians were also the victims. The muslims were also the victims. And ALL THE INDONESIAN MUSLIM really curse the terrorists. Muhammad didn't teach a suicide attack. Didn't teach to kill brutally. Even if when Islam is on the war, the muslim troops must be stay alive. Must appreciate the soul that has been given to them. If they intend to die by doing suicide, they aren't welcomed in the heaven. They will go to hell. Can you judge who is right? Indonesian Muslim or the terrorist?
Now, look for the Oslo bombing. The actor, Anders Behring Breivik. Killing innocent people, his own fellow Norwegian, because letting Islam and Marxism to expand. Claimed that his action was a neccessary action to defend. The point is, what ever the religion is, it depends on the individual. Even if they are Muslim, Christians, Hinduism, Buddhaism, and so on, if they think like extremist, they do like extremist. If they are b*tch (I am sorry), they are b*tch. Religion is just their excuse to do that. There aren't any religion which teach to be a terrorist. If you really know Islam, actually you would agree. Personally, I wouldn't call Mr. Breivik is a Christian terrorist. I believe Christian didn't teach such a thing. He is just a terrorist. And also I wouldn't call Osama or other people is a Islam terrorist, because Islam didn't teach such a thing that he does, killing innocent people. And for another example, I've read an article that an Arabian girl who was married a European man was killed by her family. That isn't Islam do even if the girl was converted to another religion. But it is true that such thing is a failure to teach her properly about Islam. But, it isn't an excuse to kill her. It's just the family felt embarrassed.
I think it is wise not to judge people from religion, race, country, etc. Just look the individual itself. Human is clever to make any excuse to do things. I am a muslim. And I have many christian friends. Even my best friend is a christian. We live in harmony. That is every religion teaches.