thanks guy's, I just found out that to many fonts can slow the puter a lot as well, so I want to get the number down to 150, instead of 350, I don't know where they all came from.
The Ccleaner is cool and works very well, I see they do a defrag as well so this has been good.
I'm OK with Vista, it's a bit over weight and slow I know, but I have been cutting a lot of the extra's out and gradualy the preformance score is on the increase.
The issue with the bots came to me recently after puting up serif movie plus x5, it's alway checking for updates, added to the other self updating junk Iv'e collected it's hardly surprising my puter is slowing down.
thanks