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CaptainHaplo · 03-26-12, 04:33 PM

Sammi,

There is one problem with the issue of "deterrent" nuclear capability. What can be used defensively, can be used offensively. Remember - there are a limited number of nations currently with that ability. Even so, world stability is dependant on the rationality of the LEAST STABLE ruler of such countries.

Exactly how stable do you feel the mullah's are - or will be when their people rise up more and more and they have to act to calm dissention? After all - an external war is the quickest way to unite a national populace....

Now - I am sorry if this offends, but I am going to point out a huge fallacy in your "deterrent" arguement. This idea that Iran is somehow threatened by Israel. Have you ever seen a map of the middle east? There are 2 countries and ~400 miles between the Israeli border and the Iranian one. So is Iran afraid that Israel is going to just drive its tanks through Syria/Iraq or Jordan/Iraq to invade? That whole premise is lacking in not only logic and common sense, but it also defies logistical possibility given the state of relations within the ME.

Additionally - this whole thing of "Israel is a threat" - HOW? Its not Israel that calls for people to blow up another country. Its not Israel that threatens to wipe another country off the map. Its Iran that does that...

Iran is a belligerent looking for a tool to bully others with. No country in the ME wants the Iranians to get a nuke. There are substantial arab governments working covertly and overtly to make sure they don't.

Answer me this one... If Israel was a threat - how come it was able to live in peace and goodwill with Jordan and Egypt? Granted - once the islamic nutcases finish their takeover in Egypt that will end, but once those countries recognized the right of Israel to exist, they didn't have any more issues.... The nations that have not, have done all they could to harrass and kill innocent israeli's (and any arab who happens to be in the way) - claiming Israel is a threat while providing the rockets and other arms used to kill the innocent.

Israel isn't innocent - but it sure as heck isn't a threat to its neighbors in any military way. Its CULTURE is - because freedom is anathema to those who want a theocratic system based on Islam.

03-26-12, 04:33 PM	#21
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,405 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	Sammi, There is one problem with the issue of "deterrent" nuclear capability. What can be used defensively, can be used offensively. Remember - there are a limited number of nations currently with that ability. Even so, world stability is dependant on the rationality of the LEAST STABLE ruler of such countries. Exactly how stable do you feel the mullah's are - or will be when their people rise up more and more and they have to act to calm dissention? After all - an external war is the quickest way to unite a national populace.... Now - I am sorry if this offends, but I am going to point out a huge fallacy in your "deterrent" arguement. This idea that Iran is somehow threatened by Israel. Have you ever seen a map of the middle east? There are 2 countries and ~400 miles between the Israeli border and the Iranian one. So is Iran afraid that Israel is going to just drive its tanks through Syria/Iraq or Jordan/Iraq to invade? That whole premise is lacking in not only logic and common sense, but it also defies logistical possibility given the state of relations within the ME. Additionally - this whole thing of "Israel is a threat" - HOW? Its not Israel that calls for people to blow up another country. Its not Israel that threatens to wipe another country off the map. Its Iran that does that... Iran is a belligerent looking for a tool to bully others with. No country in the ME wants the Iranians to get a nuke. There are substantial arab governments working covertly and overtly to make sure they don't. Answer me this one... If Israel was a threat - how come it was able to live in peace and goodwill with Jordan and Egypt? Granted - once the islamic nutcases finish their takeover in Egypt that will end, but once those countries recognized the right of Israel to exist, they didn't have any more issues.... The nations that have not, have done all they could to harrass and kill innocent israeli's (and any arab who happens to be in the way) - claiming Israel is a threat while providing the rockets and other arms used to kill the innocent. Israel isn't innocent - but it sure as heck isn't a threat to its neighbors in any military way. Its CULTURE is - because freedom is anathema to those who want a theocratic system based on Islam. __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo