[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

You really need to learn when someone is being sarcastic.

Is that what you call that?

Yep I am a traitor I have Southern heritage some distant relatives fought for the CSA come and arrest me.But some also fought for the US Army as well oh and my mother was born in Iran (left way before the 1979 revolution) shall I be drawn and quartered?

Let me guess you're being sarcastic again...

Exactly what former hostage says that Ahmadinejad was the ring leader? I have never seen or heard anywhere such a claim be made.And it is not my media I do not own nor do I trust it so you not lay claim of ownership at my feet.Even the CIA checked into this and said that he was not involved.

You mean the same CIA that claimed Saddam was buying Nigerian yellowcake uranium? You believe them over the hostages themselves? Do some research on your country's history. Here i'll get you started:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud...hostage_crisis

Several former hostages allege that during the 1979 Iran hostage crisis Ahmadinejad was one of the key individuals holding Americans inside the embassy.
A former Iranian secret agent said that the allegations were untrue: “I’m opposed to Ahmadinejad’s policies and thinking but he was not involved in the hostage drama nor in the assassination of an Iranian opposition Kurdish leader in Vienna.”[11] A classified CIA report says the claim is not proven.[12]
With Ahmadinejad's recent publicity, five former U.S. hostages Dr. William Daugherty (who worked for the CIA in Iran), Kevin Hermening, David Roeder, US Army Col. Charles Scott (Ret.), and US Navy Capt. Donald Sharer (Ret.) have alleged that Ahmadinejad was one of the leaders of the Iran Hostage Crisis at the U.S. embassy in Tehran, during their 444-day captivity starting on November 4, 1979. All of the above-mentioned hostages have claimed that Ahmadinejad is the man whom they remember from their captivity. Ahmadinejad denies his presence in the embassy, other hostages are unsure about the identification and the CIA has reportedly questioned this identification.
Col. Charles Scott, now seventy-three, recently told the Washington Times[13] that "He was one of the top two or three leaders; the new president of Iran is a terrorist." Col. Scott claimed to recall an incident when Ahmadinejad berated a friendly Iranian guard who had allowed the two Americans to visit another U.S. hostage in a neighboring cell. Col. Scott, who understands Persian, said Ahmadinejad told the guard: "You shouldn't let these pigs out of their cells". Donald Sharer, a retired Navy captain who was for a time a cellmate of Col. Scott at the Evin prison in northern Tehran, remembered Ahmadinejad as "a hard-liner, a cruel individual". "I know he was an interrogator", said Capt. Sharer, now 64. Former hostages William Daugherty and Kevin Hermening also claim he was involved.
Scott and Roeder have also expressed certainty that Ahmadinejad was present at their interrogations. Scott asserted his certainty forcefully, stating: "This is the guy. There's no question about it. You could make him a blond and shave his whiskers, put him in a zoot suit and I'd still spot him." Both men, along with Sharer and Hermening, have stated their recollections of Ahmadinejad as an "extremely cruel" ringleader. Of the above men, only Hermening has expressed that he was not immediately sure that Ahmadinejad was involved in the Hostage Crisis.
However, former hostages USAF Col. Thomas E. Schaefer (Ret.), Paul Lewis (a former Marine embassy guard), and Barry Rosen (former embassy press attache) have expressed uncertainty regarding whether Ahmadinejad was actually involved. Schaefer stated that he does not recall Ahmadinejad by face or name, and Lewis expressed noticing a vague familiarity upon seeing Ahmadinejad's picture, but said that he could not be sure if Ahmadinejad was actually the same person as his captor. "My memories were more of the gun barrel, not the people behind it," stated Lewis. Rosen, while not claiming to personally recognize Ahmadinejad, professes to believe those who do claim to recognize the new Iranian President-elect. "When you're in a situation like that… it doesn't go away" Rosen stated.

the CIA backed the Shahs entry into power by the way

Re-entry into power actually. Another way of putting it was righting the wrong done his father during WW2 when the Soviets and Brits violated Iran's neutrality and occupied the country.

And lets not forget Iran Contra which involved the US government selling arms to Iran though the Israelis in exchange for the release of hostages being held by Hezbollah in Lebanon.

And this makes Iranians mad at us how?

The Iranian government is most defiantly not to be trusted and they have done and supported some foul deeds but there is no reason to get into an all out war with Iran. Waste of time seeing as with every passing day the regime in Iran grows more unpopular by the minute.

I can agree with that but this thread is about reasons for a war against Iran not reasons why we shouldn't. I have posted the ones I can think of but I make no claims as to their advisability at this point.