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Originally Posted by Catfish

lol apart from the second-last sentence, a good post i can understand. Yes, certainly we are better off or so i think. But apart from those Taliban there are muslims who would never kill anyone, and are pretty angry about their own fanatics. But they are also killed.

I really don't know which Taliban you are talking about.
Overall picture is that they use fear ruthlessly for greater cause when they have to.

Originally Posted by Catfish

This does not mean that - especially in Iraq - all civilians were killed by troops from abroad - but was that worth it ? For oil ? As a retaliation ?

Imperiums are not founded with timidity, or so someone once said.
I just thought we would be more advanced, when we are already so much better off, comfort-wise and intellectually.

Thanks,
Catfish

So you better check the data...majority of the slaughter is due to civil war suicide bombers trucks and so on.
A struggle for tribal dominance and of course making Iraqis miss old good uncle Saddam(they had at least some order in their life then).
Blaming USA for all the chaos was the game...and spoiling any attempt to restore civil life...and poor Iraqi citizen by power of reality had no choice but to admit that life was much better without USA.
The kids that grew up in this chaos made excellent cannon fodder as extremists and so on wheels keep turning.
Yes they outsmarted USA in their ruthless and determination.