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Stealhead · 01-29-12, 03:33 PM

It is funny to me how an officer can do things worthy of a dishonorable discharge most times they get let off with out a hitch.There are tons of examples of officers having been court marshaled and found guilty yet someone stepping in to let them off the hook.Now for an enlisted person your screwed hard they love to make examples of enlisted men and women this was something that really disgusted me about the military while I was in.

I knew people in my old units that made "mistakes in judgment" things that should not have gotten them kicked out yet the JAG threw the book at them in many cases even when commanding officers did not wish for the person to punished in such a manner.It makes no sense to me you(as enlisted) will get your career ruined for minor things in the modern military that would have only had a short term negative effect in the old day and would have been removed from your records after good behavior.I know a retired Air Force E-9 served for 28 years from 1961-1981 this guy was one of the youngest E-9s in the Air Force in his day and was a Training Instructor at Lackland form 1964-1967 even though he had received an article 15 for getting drunk and wrecking all of the public areas of his dorm at Nellis AFB when he was an A2C.Today you would have a very good chance of getting kicked out for such a thing yet 40 years ago it had little bearing.In my day I knew an E-4 whose terrible infraction was getting drunk and getting into a fight with some Army private in which very minor injures where caused by both parties.The Air Force saw fit to give this E-4 a less than honorable discharge even though his commanding officer felt that an article 15 with loss of all rank was fair punishment and wanted the airman to stay in the Air Force.

Myself I had an LOR in tech school for being late for formation because I had to complete an assigned detail which failure to have completed would also have resulted in an LOR

Which the NCO gladly reminded myself and my roommate who also received an LOR. This stuck with me until my second base where my commanding officer tossed it in the trash.

Flip the coin and officers can get away with damn near anything.

01-29-12, 03:33 PM	#8
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	It is funny to me how an officer can do things worthy of a dishonorable discharge most times they get let off with out a hitch.There are tons of examples of officers having been court marshaled and found guilty yet someone stepping in to let them off the hook.Now for an enlisted person your screwed hard they love to make examples of enlisted men and women this was something that really disgusted me about the military while I was in. I knew people in my old units that made "mistakes in judgment" things that should not have gotten them kicked out yet the JAG threw the book at them in many cases even when commanding officers did not wish for the person to punished in such a manner.It makes no sense to me you(as enlisted) will get your career ruined for minor things in the modern military that would have only had a short term negative effect in the old day and would have been removed from your records after good behavior.I know a retired Air Force E-9 served for 28 years from 1961-1981 this guy was one of the youngest E-9s in the Air Force in his day and was a Training Instructor at Lackland form 1964-1967 even though he had received an article 15 for getting drunk and wrecking all of the public areas of his dorm at Nellis AFB when he was an A2C.Today you would have a very good chance of getting kicked out for such a thing yet 40 years ago it had little bearing.In my day I knew an E-4 whose terrible infraction was getting drunk and getting into a fight with some Army private in which very minor injures where caused by both parties.The Air Force saw fit to give this E-4 a less than honorable discharge even though his commanding officer felt that an article 15 with loss of all rank was fair punishment and wanted the airman to stay in the Air Force. Myself I had an LOR in tech school for being late for formation because I had to complete an assigned detail which failure to have completed would also have resulted in an LOR Which the NCO gladly reminded myself and my roommate who also received an LOR. This stuck with me until my second base where my commanding officer tossed it in the trash. Flip the coin and officers can get away with damn near anything. Last edited by Stealhead; 01-29-12 at 03:50 PM.