(dog) i do have some ogg files and audio files in the gramophone folder so okie dokie there. the JSGME is installed in the main SH5 folder thats ok. it was when i put the new UI file in the mods folder and activated it when all the mods disappeared so im assuming i have to remove and uninstall everything to fix this issue which i do not have a problem with just to do a fresh start. not a problem. kimur i do thank you for the help as well cut messages happen so no hard feelings

. lemme redo everything and then ill get back to you fine fellows.