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Old 01-05-12, 09:04 PM   #40
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People are home over the holidays here for the most part.
"most part" means bugger all.


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Had they wanted to come when she was not around, they'd wait in a car down the block for her to leave.
Making assumptions again based on assumptions you already made.

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I just edited this. followed a google to local OK news. She went in bedroom, but they don;t say if that's the door she was behind on the phone with 911. Doesn't matter, but if she was in bedroom, then they could have looted house freely without breaking door down.
Why bother with google? follow the OP link, she went to the bedroom to retrieve one of the firearms and had put the couch against the front door which they was knocking at.
It all matters unless you are just going to jump to assumptions

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Also, the OP story doesn't mention prescription drugs (not that it matters, again, anyone breaking in while you are home is presumed by law (and good sense) to be a threat for which deadly force may be used.
Follow the OP story, its all in the link. Once again you are saying "not that it matters" but you are going off only your assumptions not the details of the incident.(which really means you are still shooting blind to try and defend a comment you had made when you were shooting blind in the first place)

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Why would I need to, as I made no such claim?
If you claim that they could have come to her front door when she was working you should be able to show that she went out to work.

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Had they wanted goods, they'd have gone to the house next door where no one was home (assuming they cased such a house, and knew there was no one home there).
Once again assumptions on assumptions on assumptions.
Is it really that hard for you to ask yourself to hold on a minute?


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They wanted her to open the door so they could force their way in easier? Dunno, don't care.
For someone that doesn't know and doesn't care you seem to have a definate opinion on issues you choose to remain ignorant of.
Perhaps the question was too hard for you to think about or too hard to fit with your assumptions.

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They came armed, they came when they knew she was there (else why bang for 20 minutes?). They had intent to at the very least threaten deadly force (they were armed).
Isn't that another assumption? the fella with the very shortrange shotgun blast to his torso still had a rather large knife gripped in his hand and that knife had came with him.

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The law doesn't care why they came,
Actually it does, if its a drug deal gone bad then the law cares very much, in the same way as killing an "intruder" over a stolen playstation can play either way dependant on the facts, or shooting a "car thief" who you just lent your car to.....all fairly recent ones where the "good for them" crowd got burnt on the actual details after the initial headline had got them bleating.

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I don't care how they knew her, or for how long.
Yet she seemed to think it important for her story until her mother let it slip that it wasn't the case.
Yet again you are showing that you don't care about the details on things you are willing to try and stick to your initial assumptions over.

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I make zero assumptions about that, or anything else in the OP story.
But you have, demonstrably so.

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I have not looked at the story anywhere else, so I have no idea about what else happened (and like the police there, I don't care as it is not relevant).
Yet you are still trying to defend comments you made while admiting you are in ignorance while making the comments

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This is FACT as she will not be charged.
Sorry can you clarify the comment that the police have made and then wait for the state to decide before you go all CAPSLOCK
hey thats the first CAPSLOCK strikes again of the new year

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Anyone who kills someone breaking and entering is doing society a favor.
maybe yes maybe no.
If some local stalwarts of the community were breaking into the house of a nonce woukld the nonce be doing the community a favour by killing them?
Hows that for ratcheting up the rhetoric eh?

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OP story says nothing about drugs
But you not following the OP at all are you.
However even if you miss that simple chain, it is the first thing I thought of when it said about her husband in the OP, the link provided in the OP shows that it very may well be the case.

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and it changes nothing
Actually it may change everything especially given the seemingly false account of when she claimed they first met.

@Ducimus
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The reality is castle law doesnt apply to your lawn.
I know, but that crazy old coot I mentioned that murdered the kid thought it did apply, he even rang 911 to tell them to come and pickup the body of the ne'er do well he had just killed for maybe walking on his lawn.

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moral of the story is that they didnt stop in for a friendly "ello"
moral of the story is that they may or may not have been after the drugs her husband was on for pain relief during terminal cancer and they may or may not have made prior arrangements with the teenage mom they had had contact with for the previous two years .....so it is too soon to call absolutes on it which some people are all too willing to do without even looking beyond an initial headline.
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