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Old 12-11-11, 09:44 PM   #3
Takeda Shingen
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How often do I need to repeat myself? I have answwered these issues repeatedly now - in this thread, and in several threads. Can't you people not store it in memory when just asking the same questions time and again as if it were the first time they get posted?

And Tak, I also made it clear that lifestyle and what happens in other people bedrooms is the last, the very last of my concerns.

Like I also adressed the differenc ebetweenm the overaging of Wetsern societies due to lack of babies, and the population explosion in poor countries which are the main reason, the absoplute, total, dominant, unquestionable main reason why global poöuation grows so terribly high.

I adressed razor'S question by pointing out that laws need to be formed on basis of a norm, which often is a majority issue. The norm is not that hetero couples are unable to have babies, but that they can have babies - and that this needs to be the diominant fsactor that the design of a law environment needs to consider.

Nowhere I ever mention religion. I refered to cultural tradition and the meaning of marriages over the centuries, tought. and that was an understanding dominated, hopelessly dominated by the overwhelming majority of cases, of this: 1 man + 1 woman = probably babies.

We need a stabilisation of our age structures and demographics in Western nations. The explosion of global population is not being caused in the West, but collapsing demographic structures can and do lead to problems that threaten our social security system, our ability to maintain advanced industries and hightech branches, to maintain a suffiently big workforce to care for these industries as well as caring for the old, and our ability to pay for more and more old that live longer and longer. Our societies are in danger to collapse under the growing discrepance between falling numbers of young tax-payers and cliombing numbers of old tax-receivers - just in casse nobody has realised that so far. It is one of the absolute top problems in Europe. Goobal explosion of population is caused in Africa and SE Asia for the most - the regions that are the most vulnerable to climate change, economic exploitation, natural disasters.

Have you guys really nothing better to do to reduce the likelihood of babies being born in our coutnries even more - by reltivising the specially prpotected status, the social image of family when giving the same status and priviliges - last but not least fincial poriviliges!!! - to non-families as well?

But still discriminating against singles at the same time? Why is my tax buck being spend not for families, but also for a man and a man liing together? The family does somethign for me, ideally, and for the community, the gay couple does not. They just are there, and their marriage contributes nothign to the community, while they deliver another marginalisation to the family.

Families are mor eimprotant than gays and lesbians. Families are more important than singles.

And gays/lesbians are not one bit more important than singles. The contribution to the community of both homo couples and single'S lifeform is equal. And I say: equally low, compared to families.
I read them the first time. Second time too. They just don't hold water. Babies are born out of wedlock all the time. Population grows exponentially. You've got this completely illogical notion that allowing gay marriage will turn everyone gay and that there will be no humans within 150 years. Or, as you closed with, gay marriage will destabalize western civilization. Sky, you should know better than this; you are a smarter man than I am. I mean that. Banning gay marriage has clearly not reduced the number of homosexuals in society.

Regarding norms it, as Platapus and I have pointed out, was the norm for women and minorities not to vote, as well as being the norm to prohibit interracial marraige. I will say it again--a norm that denies civil rights that pose no imposition on the majority is not a norm that should be enforced. Not you nor I will have our rights altered in any way should homosexual marriage be permitted.
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