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Originally Posted by The Avon Lady
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Originally Posted by Skybird
That guy was waiting for over 15 years to get killed. As if that not is penalty enough, already.
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I don't know. How do you measure it? And maybe both are deserved?
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Deathpenalty is a term that is contradictory to itself. Penalty is a measuremnt you take to sanction and change the bahvior of someone.
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What dictionary are you smokin'? :|\
pen·al·ty ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pnl-t)
n. pl. pen·al·ties
A punishment established by law or authority for a crime or offense.
Something, especially a sum of money, required as a forfeit for an offense.
The disadvantage or painful consequences resulting from an action or condition: neglected his health and paid the penalty.
Sports.
A punishment, handicap, or loss of advantage imposed on a team or competitor for infraction of a rule.
An infraction of a rule; a foul.
Games. Points scored in contract bridge by the opponents when the declarer fails to make a bid. Often used in the plural.
Where did you get that "behavior change" is an inherent meaning of the word "penalty"? 
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Killing him means he cannot change behavior. Thus death is not a penalty, but a preemptive action (which I could accept under certain requirements: for example hindering a drug baron to control his business fro inside a prison, or hindering free criminals to commit crimes in order to get the prisoner free, if he is a very dangerous criminal), or an act of simple revenge. It never is a penalty.
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Sematics and rhetoric.
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Schwarzenegger looked at it and saw that most Califnrians support death"penatly". He also wants to get reelected. so he decided to get that guy killed in order to increase his chances. IMO, and basing on what I said above, that is an act of clear and intended murder.
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He's obligated to uphold the law of the state he is governor of. If anyone cannot, let them resign.
And you are assuming that if he wasn't an elected official, he would be against the death penalty? Did he ever mention that?
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We will never know how many youngster now will NOT be hindered to join a gang and start a criminal career by beeing affected by TW's example. Killing him after he had chnaged and infleunced many young ones to keep away from gangs was the most stupid of all options.
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Numerous counter-thoughts all over the Net. I liked this one:
To A Young One Who Is An Apologist For A Terrorist. |
Plea for clemency: that'S how it is called. Allowing that is an act of mercy. A gift, if you want. A mercy is an act that is given although the rules read different. If it were according to the rules, then TW would have the RIGHT to see his execution beeing stopped. You talk about searching and finding a flaw in the court'S procedure and sentence. If Schwarzenegger would have found that, it would not be a mercy, but a juristical mistake.
a penalty: again, you speak bureaucratics only. the basic principle of a penalty:
Mother: "don't do that!"
Child does it.
Mother gives the child a clap (penalty): "I said don'T do that. Now stop it, or the next penalty will be worse."
Child alters it's bahvior and never do it again, to avoid the penalty.
That's also the understanding of penalty as a sanction in order to alter the subject's behavior in sociological and psychological science, and animal experimentation as well. Just think of Skinner, f.e.
I did not assume Schwarzenegger is pro or against death "penalty". Nowhere I did. I do not know his opinion, and I do not care for his opinion.