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Skybird · 12-18-05, 08:04 AM

So far I am aware of the following units included (keep in mind that the modding community already is active, but the vehicles in SBPro are not only models but include highly complex and interactive structures of components and hullareas that can receive varying ammount of damage)

Crewable vehicles:
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US: M1A1, M2A2, M3A2, M113, M113MICLIC, M113 Engineer, HMMWV, FIST-V.

German: Leo1A5, Leo2A4, Leo2A5.

The Bradleys and the Leo2 I can confirm to have 3D interiors like you see in the video. The M1 interior was in the works last time I heared of it, but I cannot say if it (the interior!) is included in the first release. All vehicles without 3D cockpits will be controlled in much the same way they were controlled in SB1 - and that was no problem back then, and will not be today.

Australian: Leo1AS (dual magnification sights for the gunner in both thermal and day view); ASLAV-25 (the Australian version of the LAV-25, with thermal view and the auxiliary sight for the 25mm Bushmaster); ASLAV-PC (personnel carrier version with a flex mount cal .50.); ASLAV Command (artillery response time bonus); ASLAV Support (fuel tanker). However, the Australian vehicles have (so far) no 3D interiors and are driven via the standard interface you got used to from SB1, they were packed in late and surprisingly, due to late arriving demands by the Australian army.

I surely miss the probably two best battle tanks in the world, the latest incarnations of the Leo2: the A6-EX variant, and the A3 variant of the M1.
A later (free) addon will make either the T-72 or the T-80 playable, too

and who knows what this dedicated community of SB can do!?

AI-only vehicles:
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Russian: T-72, T-80, BMP-1, BMP-2, BTR-80, BMD-2, BRDM-2 (with/without AT), Ural truck, Hind Mi-24.

US: HEMTT (Cargo and Fuel), M113 (Medic, TOW, Command, Observer), HMMWV TOW, M901, MT-55 bridgelayer, LAV-25.

German: Jaguar ATM, Biber bridgelayer, Marder-3, Mercedes truck (2 versions).

Others: YPR-765, Piranha, ASLAV Medic (Australia)

Mean enough - so far it is only the Reds showing up with air support, the infamous Mi24 Hind. Blue has no gunships and no dedicated anti air units, so you need to deal with the Hinds with infantry SAMs, tank cannons and tank guns. A mission designer of course is free to make red equipment available for the blue side as well. Why not line up your Abrams and Leopards with a flight of Hinds? Probable that we will see Apaches or Tigers in the future, but not certain. But for the time beeing, I for myself will prefer the Hind to be left out of missions. They also are not simulated with a realistic flight model (which is not needed for the purpose of the sim), so the way the manouveur sometimes looks a bit odd and definetly is not physically correct. Purists may complain, but I book it as a minor thing only.

There always has been some minor requests for fixed wing units such as the A-10 or the Su-25, but I think the developer will stick to his policy and leave them out completely. It simply does not make any sense for a sim with a focus of interest like SB to include fixed-wing tank killers – because tanks can do little about them. Modern tanks have no real potential to counter air threats of this callibre all by themselves, and I cannot see much fun in riding your Abrams and then getting blown up by a flight of Frogfoots that just happend to stroll by, while you are unable to do anything about it, neither by tactical planning, nor by trying to fight them. SB is no complete war simulator, but focuses on mechanized ground warfare. The decision not to include planes makes sense, and is very reasonable, in my opinion. And believe me: once you got started you will not miss them anyway

TrackIR: I do remember that this was discussed at the forum some time ago, but I do not remember the outcome. I think it has NO support for track IR.

HOTAS: I played it with CH HOTAS (Fighterstick and ProThrottle) and was perfectly happy with it, it allowed me to control both my tank and system and the fomration'S manouveurs as well.. But maybe I want to have this one as well:
http://afvsim.com/

No historical units like T34. SB Pro is a simulator of modern mechanized ground warfare. Don't think of it in terms of the usual sims and games you play.

12-18-05, 08:04 AM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	So far I am aware of the following units included (keep in mind that the modding community already is active, but the vehicles in SBPro are not only models but include highly complex and interactive structures of components and hullareas that can receive varying ammount of damage) Crewable vehicles: ------------------------- US: M1A1, M2A2, M3A2, M113, M113MICLIC, M113 Engineer, HMMWV, FIST-V. German: Leo1A5, Leo2A4, Leo2A5. The Bradleys and the Leo2 I can confirm to have 3D interiors like you see in the video. The M1 interior was in the works last time I heared of it, but I cannot say if it (the interior!) is included in the first release. All vehicles without 3D cockpits will be controlled in much the same way they were controlled in SB1 - and that was no problem back then, and will not be today. Australian: Leo1AS (dual magnification sights for the gunner in both thermal and day view); ASLAV-25 (the Australian version of the LAV-25, with thermal view and the auxiliary sight for the 25mm Bushmaster); ASLAV-PC (personnel carrier version with a flex mount cal .50.); ASLAV Command (artillery response time bonus); ASLAV Support (fuel tanker). However, the Australian vehicles have (so far) no 3D interiors and are driven via the standard interface you got used to from SB1, they were packed in late and surprisingly, due to late arriving demands by the Australian army. I surely miss the probably two best battle tanks in the world, the latest incarnations of the Leo2: the A6-EX variant, and the A3 variant of the M1. A later (free) addon will make either the T-72 or the T-80 playable, too and who knows what this dedicated community of SB can do!? AI-only vehicles: ---------------------- Russian: T-72, T-80, BMP-1, BMP-2, BTR-80, BMD-2, BRDM-2 (with/without AT), Ural truck, Hind Mi-24. US: HEMTT (Cargo and Fuel), M113 (Medic, TOW, Command, Observer), HMMWV TOW, M901, MT-55 bridgelayer, LAV-25. German: Jaguar ATM, Biber bridgelayer, Marder-3, Mercedes truck (2 versions). Others: YPR-765, Piranha, ASLAV Medic (Australia) Mean enough - so far it is only the Reds showing up with air support, the infamous Mi24 Hind. Blue has no gunships and no dedicated anti air units, so you need to deal with the Hinds with infantry SAMs, tank cannons and tank guns. A mission designer of course is free to make red equipment available for the blue side as well. Why not line up your Abrams and Leopards with a flight of Hinds? Probable that we will see Apaches or Tigers in the future, but not certain. But for the time beeing, I for myself will prefer the Hind to be left out of missions. They also are not simulated with a realistic flight model (which is not needed for the purpose of the sim), so the way the manouveur sometimes looks a bit odd and definetly is not physically correct. Purists may complain, but I book it as a minor thing only. There always has been some minor requests for fixed wing units such as the A-10 or the Su-25, but I think the developer will stick to his policy and leave them out completely. It simply does not make any sense for a sim with a focus of interest like SB to include fixed-wing tank killers – because tanks can do little about them. Modern tanks have no real potential to counter air threats of this callibre all by themselves, and I cannot see much fun in riding your Abrams and then getting blown up by a flight of Frogfoots that just happend to stroll by, while you are unable to do anything about it, neither by tactical planning, nor by trying to fight them. SB is no complete war simulator, but focuses on mechanized ground warfare. The decision not to include planes makes sense, and is very reasonable, in my opinion. And believe me: once you got started you will not miss them anyway TrackIR: I do remember that this was discussed at the forum some time ago, but I do not remember the outcome. I think it has NO support for track IR. HOTAS: I played it with CH HOTAS (Fighterstick and ProThrottle) and was perfectly happy with it, it allowed me to control both my tank and system and the fomration'S manouveurs as well.. But maybe I want to have this one as well: http://afvsim.com/ No historical units like T34. SB Pro is a simulator of modern mechanized ground warfare. Don't think of it in terms of the usual sims and games you play. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.