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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve
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That is very true, and unlike some others who deride that, I also understand and accept it while still disagreeing. I'm a huge fan of John Marshall and the amazing way he outfoxed Jefferson to bring about that state of affairs.
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When one looks out for their own self interest, one works a lot harder.
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I do agree with both your points, and where I disagree, well, there's room for that as well. It's part of what freedom is about.
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More debate is needed, otherwise we will be chanting the following:
Oranges and lemons,
Say the bells of St. Clement's.
You owe me five farthings,
Say the bells of St. Martin's.
When will you pay me?
Say the bells of Old Bailey.
When I grow rich,
Say the bells of Shoreditch.
When will that be?
Say the bells of Stepney.
I do not know,
Says the great bell of Bow.
Here comes a candle to light you to bed,
And here comes a chopper to chop off your head