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Originally Posted by Randomizer

What year was your GWX test?

I think it was 1939-40.

Also the approach variables are almost infinite while there is an overwhelming tendancy amongst some players to blame the program for their own badly executed appoaches.

- The approach variables to many things in life are infinite which does not stop people expressing their opinions, compare them and consider that activity to be interesting and worthwhile.
Besides, I did state that approach would be 90 degrees at 3 knots to lessen the infinty to at least a smaller one

But the main point is just to get a feel for peoples opinions on different mods and other SH games on this particular part of gameplay. Not to dispute the undeniable merit of GW (LSH, NY etc) team work. But simply get subjective opinions just on that part of gameplay.
If you or anybody feel that my "key criteria" are too stifling, feel free to add - as long as this stays on topic of realization of "stealth" in sub sims.
I believe that this is useful because -

I would suggest that, if your H-D is big enough, create multiple installations configured as you like for comparison.

I do not think that my opinions on this matter would satisfy me. I'm not an expert and value others' input. Secondly, it is quicker for me (and for other people in the future who would be using these grounds to evaluate the right mod/SH for them) to read this kind of thread than download GBs of patches and readmes on how to install them.

You obviously have issues with the GWX Team's interpretation of the data

Yes, I had limited experience of GWX that was supported by my reading of other people whose opinions I thought to be qualified - former Navy guy talk on detection at range, and just SH veterans. Generally I do like sims, but I hate "tough" AI that relies on cheating laws of physics to acheive toughness. Just my perference for computer sims- air combat, soccer, driving, now uboats (This is my subjective opinion, already expressed in the scale in my original post)

In my opinion, stock SH3 bears little resemblance to a simulation of the U-Boat war with regards to most of your perimeters .

IThe topic is about how easy it is to be detected - I've put SH3 right bang in the middle of the arbitrary 10 point scale. It never implied that SH3 was the etalon, just an arbitrary point of easiness of being detected.

I guess the scale simply goes like: Blind-----SH3stock------Gods vision, and the question is does the mod place on the left of SH3Stock or an the right and how far to the left/right. If you have experience of several SHs/mods - place THEM on that same scale in the *right* order. All purely subjective for each respondent

None of the variables that you are seeking to quantify are constants, either in stock or across the mega-mods. They certainly were not in real life as all depend on specific situations that may be relevant on one occasion but not another.

This is not engineering, this is a topic that would help people choose the mod/game that would suit their taste. Based on other (maybe more experienced) people's tastes. Tastes do not have constants. So just put an arbitary value which YOU feel corresponds best

The modding forums contain a wealth of information dealing with the various modding team's rationale behind their work and are worth taking the time to peruse in detail.

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I am sure the answers are already there, but structured focus meta studies are useful thing. It is not practical to read several 50 page threads. Overview will help to understand where things are at an approximate level.

Originally Posted by jimbuna

The only solution for you IMHO would be to install them all and make a decision based on your requirements, experiences and preferences.

Not just for me, but for everybody with such question? Common, just answer the question instead - surely you had experience with at least several SH3 mods as well as SH4/5. You know what I'm trying to get at, if you feel that the question or the arbitrary scale needs altering - feel free, but no need to make its complicated when its quite simple poll