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Did I accuse you of a crime? Did I accuse you of anything? I asked you if you had a solution

No you didnt ask me, you implied that my inability to present a solution supports the fact my argument is worthless, (combined with the fact that you alone dont fit into my generalisation.)
its right here.

Worse, you're trying to illustrate a problem but not providing any answers.

I disagree with you, just as I disagree with a lot of people. Do you think because I disagree that I'm putting you down? For all I know you're right. I don't have any answers. I only argued against certain things you said, specific things, which I think are wrong.

As I said before, I became annoyed Steve, because you used yourself as the sole example to undermine an argument that applies to many people,
it would have been would be fine if you presented as "well i dont fit in to your generalisation." but you did not do this, you presented it as - I am proof that your entire generalisation must be wrong.

And that I found rather irritating - sorry.

On the other hand:

Was that not you doing to Tater exactly what you accuse me of doing to you?

No, I was asking him to explain to me his understanding of a system we live by, that works in very specific ways.
I was asking him to define something that already exists.
Where as you were asking me to suggest or create a currently non-existant solution to a problem that I am obviously not (in real world terms) qualified to solve.
You dont need to be a plumber to identify a leaking faucet.

I never said you were. You came up with the examples, and I said that in my opinion they weren't valid. You then said I missed the point. What was the point, then?

The point was, maybe in this case we'd be better off to look around us rather than just looking at ourselves.

So, while saying I accused you of a crime, your actual arguing style is to dismiss our arguments with what, hiding our heads in the sand?

To a large extent that is how I perceived it. to my mind, the 1920s comparisson, while it holds true. it is entirely ridiculous and irrelivant to the problems highlighted in the original post, i could only perceive it as a 'glossing over' and side-stepping the real issue that has been presented.
So yes, to me it seemed an awful lot like sticking ones head in the sand, hence my sarcasm.
And I dont know where you getting all this 'crime' business from, I accused people of being 'bloody dimissive' of the OP, but im pretty sure I didnt accuse anyone of being a criminal.

And finally disagreeing with you leads to a mocking false apology? What did anyone say to you to make you want to reply like that? Tater disagrees with you. Is that a crime? Neither he nor I accused you of anything, yet you accuse us of doing so. I will apologize for coming on strong, but dumping on people who disagree with you is a strange way of conducting an argument.

The mocking false apology was made out of genuine frustration for all of the above,
I lost my patience and for that i apologise to you.
Edit: Sorry Skybird, i will stop.