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Originally Posted by Penguin

this article is about a poll where Palestinians claim that: http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...state-1.325793

note: the poll above is made by a pro-Israeli organization, especially in emotional biased topics like this, it is exteremely important to check out who makes a poll and - if possible - the exact questions, as little changes in the questions can make enormous differences; do you want Pepsi?, do you want Coke?, do you want Pepsi or Coke? do you want a Pepsi if you can't have a Coke?

Also take a look at these polls: most Palestinians want a two-state-solution (from AP)

and this from a pro-Palestinian organization: 70 percent of the Palestinians want a one-state-solution - together with 75% of Palestinians who deny Israel's right to exist

IF all those surveys are correct, one can come to the come to the conclusion, that a two-state-solution is seen as temporary, or more blunt: first the Pepsi, then the Coke

Thanks for the links because i had none.
My view was based on some observations and real life chit chats which may be problematic in Internet discussions.

Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

I don't support one state solution, because I don't see any hope of peace with it. I support too state option as bad alternative which may or may not bring peace. What I would like to know from you is that how serious Israel really is about peace? Also how declaring Jerusalem as undividable capital of Israel helps negotiations?

Eastern Jerusalem had been offered to Palestinians when Ehud Barak was PM and by other previous governments.
When precondition to peace talks is stopping construction in Gilo neighborhood or Har'Homa and Male'Adumim there is nothing to talk about.
Those are whole Jewish parts of Jerusalem and its like demanding freeze of constructions in Tel-Aviv.
Totally nuts....again it looks great...Jews are building again.
I would like someone to point out to all the illegal settlements that are dismantled inside west bank by IDF and Police.

That's again -ground reality from my perspective.
Israelis did not ask for all the wars and its small price for arabs to pay for peace.
Historically they never had regard for human life...they start war then lose then UN votes as nothing happens-what do they have to lose?
1967 borders as precondition are out of question.

From my perspective(i'm quite leftist i guess) i don't mind giving Palestinian populated parts of Jerusalem to PA.
Question is if this will ensure peace and stability or simply cause every idiot with 50mm mortal to be able to shell city centre.
Oh...you would have to run a poll with Israeli Arabs there...do they really want to be part of PA?
You just might be surprised.

Do you imply that deaths of women and children during your country's responses to terrorist attacks is intentional instead of accidental?!

No.. but its unavoidable.
The tactics used by terrorists ensures this since it further damages view about Israel in public opinion around the world.
Operation "cast lead" and goldstone report is good recent example.
It took long time for goldstone to conclude that he might be wrong but the damage was done.
Israelis are baby killers anyway.
The absurd..Tzipi Livni who is in opposition from left to current government was charged with war crimes and could not enter UK.
If i remember just last month the charges had been dismissed.
Simply put it the UN and international law created atmosphere for terrorism to thrive.
its a win or nothing to lose situation for them...all they need is to manage it well.