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Old 08-12-11, 01:54 AM   #11
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Originally Posted by Anthony W. View Post
Well then how about this, I dislike democrats because of lack of morality and Lyndon Johnson, FDR, all the Kennedy's, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, the (mainly) democrats that tried to stop the civil rights movement, Woodrow Wilson, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Jimmy Carter, Tim Geithner, pretty much everyone appointed by the current admin., the EPA, the ACLU, and trust me I can list hundreds of people and groups I have something against (also can think of a lot that I don't have much of anything against).

Can't make the face of a group someone who isn't influential anymore.

And Bush did a number of good things, especially during his 1st term.

Oh, war mongers, FDR and LBJ
You listed quite long list of inviduals. Could you expain that a little bit? That would help to understand your viewpoint. What comes to warmongering I can understand LBJ as but at my understanding FDR sent troops only against those nations who first declared war to United States. Could you explain what am I missing?

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Originally Posted by August View Post
The thing you have to realize Anthony is that foreigners like kraznyi_oktjabr don't have a clear view American society or our politics. They get small glimpses into our world without realizing that what they are seeing is mostly partisan propaganda aimed at influencing the most gullible of our domestic audiences.

When you filter that through the distortions of distance, culture and language it's no wonder they so often have such unrealistic views of us.

Of course this is a two way street. Our view of them is no more clear than their view is of us. It's why I try to refrain from making generalized comments about them (although I don't always succeed!)
That post is unfortunately correct. My view about American society is based mostly on information obtained from such sources as BBC, New York Times, Washington Post, International Herald Tribune, CNN, Fox, MSNBC, ABC and ofcourse local Finnish media like Yle, MTV3 and Helsingin Sanomat. I disagree with August in that our media is publishing "mostly partisan propaganda aimed at influencing the most gullible of our [U.S.] domestic audiences" but ofcourse I can't always verify how extensively every article's takes into account different viewpoints to issue.

Would I have financial resources I would gladly visit in your country and spend time in as many state as possible to get some more information. Currently one of the best ways to get look into issues on U.S. internal politics and your country's views in international politics is to visit in this forum. That's why I most appreciate those post who instead of just declaring persons own opinion also explain why they think so? That its why I often find understanding Anthony's (no you are not only one, just first name which comes to my mind) point of view very difficult. I also really appreciate if people provide links where there is more information on subject which we here happen to be discussing.

Thank you if you read this from beginning to the end!
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