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Stealhead · 08-09-11, 10:48 AM

I am thinking from different things I have read on the web and in books and from guys that are or have been in country the the 160th has been some what over worked for the past few years here they are very elite and as a result there are few fully trained pilots at the 160th level not to mention the aircraft as well they fly highly modified birds which of course there are going to be less of than regular choppers.

If they where on an ANG CH-47 then this implies that the regular MH-47s of the 160th that are in country where either in use else where or where not available for some other reason.I wonder why they did not have another Ranger unit standing by as an IRF?

I'd have to also guess that if it was an RPG that hit the CH-47 that it must have been fired when the chopper was either just landing(or setting up for a fast rope) or just lifting off those are the most vulnerable times fro any heilo and the most likely time for an RPG to have a chance of hitting.The CH-47 is very fast even a altitude once it gets going it can easily go 180mph or better they actually have to fly slower to allow AH-64s to keep up which top out at about 155 or so fully loaded less at higher altitudes.

Seems to me that if the enemy has displayed over a 10 year time period that they actively seek to destroy a large chopper under such situations (and have done so successfully on more than one occasion) that they might be trying to think of ways to try and avoid this from happening.I am wondering if the choppers again rushed in without its escort sweep the landing zone from what I understand this has occurred in the past.I can understand the desire of troops wanting to come to the aid of fellow soldiers but sometimes rushing in can be risky and can result in a situation that is worse than it was before.Obviously an enemy is going to expect aid to be coming and is going to counter it if possible.At the same time my dad was in the LURPs(really LRRPs) during Vietnam and I know from things that he experienced(and barely survived in some cases) that in war sometimes things just go terribly wrong and when you are an elite unit you are already dong something deemed too dangerous for regular troops so when the **** hits the fan it is a very large fan and a large amount of ****.

08-09-11, 10:48 AM	#13
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I am thinking from different things I have read on the web and in books and from guys that are or have been in country the the 160th has been some what over worked for the past few years here they are very elite and as a result there are few fully trained pilots at the 160th level not to mention the aircraft as well they fly highly modified birds which of course there are going to be less of than regular choppers. If they where on an ANG CH-47 then this implies that the regular MH-47s of the 160th that are in country where either in use else where or where not available for some other reason.I wonder why they did not have another Ranger unit standing by as an IRF? I'd have to also guess that if it was an RPG that hit the CH-47 that it must have been fired when the chopper was either just landing(or setting up for a fast rope) or just lifting off those are the most vulnerable times fro any heilo and the most likely time for an RPG to have a chance of hitting.The CH-47 is very fast even a altitude once it gets going it can easily go 180mph or better they actually have to fly slower to allow AH-64s to keep up which top out at about 155 or so fully loaded less at higher altitudes. Seems to me that if the enemy has displayed over a 10 year time period that they actively seek to destroy a large chopper under such situations (and have done so successfully on more than one occasion) that they might be trying to think of ways to try and avoid this from happening.I am wondering if the choppers again rushed in without its escort sweep the landing zone from what I understand this has occurred in the past.I can understand the desire of troops wanting to come to the aid of fellow soldiers but sometimes rushing in can be risky and can result in a situation that is worse than it was before.Obviously an enemy is going to expect aid to be coming and is going to counter it if possible.At the same time my dad was in the LURPs(really LRRPs) during Vietnam and I know from things that he experienced(and barely survived in some cases) that in war sometimes things just go terribly wrong and when you are an elite unit you are already dong something deemed too dangerous for regular troops so when the ** hits the fan it is a very large fan and a large amount of **.