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Originally Posted by Thomen
Some of the responses here reminded me why more often than not any kind of discussion about a historical topic is a pointless exercise.
Since we Europeans are 2nd class members (at least some here seem to think so), just make sure to show reverence and compassion for the US and its people on December 7th, September the 11th, July the 4th, July the 6th, July the 21st and whatever important date there may be. 
In regards to some of the posts:
IMHO, discussions like this are not there to change minds. Often they are being posted to gain access to new or more views and opinions from a lot of sources and very often knowledgeable people. Where else would one ask a question like that, but in an environment (Forum) where one is comfortable and know that there are a lot of people with some views and insight into the topic in question.
(Even Tribesman stayed on topic.. Props for that. At least I think he did.. )
The same question was asked before, but really.. is that so bad that it came up again?
But guess what, next year it is bound to be posted again. One of the obvious reasons are new members who weren't here when it came down this time around. One solution would be that the mods could post a list with "Forbidden Topics" if this is so offensive and to avoid further occurrences.
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Indeed. All pretty good points to note for us Europeans.
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Originally Posted by MH
I think the problem is the article that was chosen and the context in it.
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The article 'chosen' was an article that i actually happened to stumble across whilst browsing said subject matter, due to driving in the car and listening to the national broadcast service.
I didn't hand-pick it to show members what 'we' as in the people that attempt to discuss ALL sides of history that we hate the US, and have a desire to stir up trouble on the forum.
Like i said before, that is not the goal of this thread.
And yes, the article doesn't agree fully with the pro US members here, so what? Does everything that is written about the US have to be agreed upon by US citizens?
Or any other country for that matter.
Heck, look at Germany. How many articles have been written about that country, it's involvement in WW2 and other global events. Do i agree with every single thing written about that country? Hell no.
Do i get my back up about things that have been written about that country? Hell yes.
But would that stop me from attempting to have a mature and respectful discussion, in the circumstances? Without resorting to personal attacks or spamming crap in the thread? Nope.
The article posted here, and i agree, poses some serious questions and it may be easy for the defenses to come up and people getting rather irate about the way it was written, and the content of the article.
It's all good and well people having opinions and not sharing the same beliefs as others. But when the attempt to discuss matters in a mature and open-minded way fall, then that becomes an issue.
On a side note, there have been, i admit attempts made to discuss this in a mature and sensible manner.