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Originally Posted by I-25
i honestly think its bull! when you look at it the americans did cause the war by the embargo they placed on japan, and peral harbour? well if the still say it was a suprise attack thats just a bunch of BULL, how could a 10+ ship TF whit 5 carriers get right under the americans noses and strike 2 times at the same place on the same day and get away with is without a sratch!
also lets not for get that most of the ships at pearl at the time were VERY old and out dated and that the best ships had cast off the night before!
and the fact that the miget sub that was sunk by the USS ward 1 hr before anything happend was COMLPETELY ignored at the command center.  |
You're an imbecile.
Did the US FORCE Japan to attack China or invade Korea? That's like the folks sying the Brits and French started the war in Europe because they declared war in Germany after the latter ATTACKED Poland.
Have you heard of unit 731?
So the allies started the war...
Point is Japan was allied with the NAZIS and given the way the latter were rolling over Russia and had overrun Europe and now their Allies were menacing Asia seems a smart thing to do to me.
PH I've already talked this to death you want to read the same article I sent some months ago to a couple of other idiots on the forum.
Let's look at your arguments anyway...the carriers were out deleivering stuff..
The Enterprise was SUPPOSED TO BE IN PEARL ON THE 7TH BUT WAS DELAYED BY BAD WEATHER. Did FDR make the storm on purpose hmm???
Ships left were old, hmm only the BBs and some of the cruisers, cause none of the NEW BBs WERE READY YET. The Jap battleline was just as old (Yamato and Musashi had not commisioned yet). the DDs were mixed some newer some older, same thing with the CAs
None of the new ships were ready yet. The only really modern ships in the USn at the time were the carriers anyway. The huge 2 ocean fleet was still under construction or the planning.
Again I repeat and repeat, the US govt. had no way of being sure that Hitler would declare war, none for sure.
In short, I thought you were OK but I see you are just another damn Axis apologist like Dead Man's Hand and a few others.
Just a last question: forget the USA, what do you have against the Chinese or Koreans? Did Japan have a right to invade them? Why do you think they are pissed? Don't bring up what others have done (like the Euros screwing China too, I think that also sucks).