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Stealhead · 07-14-11, 02:44 PM

I thought that the Son Toy raid guys used a very early version of red dot sight that was made by a Swedish company and was not something even is US military inventory I have not read the same things you gather from your book are sure what was said was accurate or perhaps the author was opinionated? I find the rifle mounted night sight hard to believe no one in the early 70s would have had technology to make a sight that was less bulky than the "Star Scope" that was available at the time that is too bulky for CQC combat they did find use for the early red dot though.Hell just in the past ten yers have night scopes gotten small enough not be to bulky for close combat.

I know for a fact that the CIA provided the raiders with a special shotgun called the "duckbill" which they asked the CIA to design it had a special choke because they needed something to allow them to kick in the doors of the guards barracks and kill them easily without using grenades the CIA gave them the duckbills and they where excellent.Also SOG was a black program and got money to procure its needs from what ever source they deemed necessary for example many SOG and their mercenaries used AK-47s(more often the Type 56 the Chinese version) the demand for ammo was high enough that a South Korean factory was secretly making 7.62x39 ammo and also magazines for them.

I was given this information from a good friend of mine who is a plumber he was in SOG back in then from 68-72 I trust what he says over any author.I know he speaks the truth because he he has shown me photos of himself and Hmong mercenaries that worked with him.

Having been in the military myself I can agree that at times things are not in the best supply or condition but much of that is unavoidable there is not one military unit in any military that is at 100% all the time that just never happens.Also "not ready for combat" does not necessarily mean that something rated as such can not still perform in combat effectively it just means that it is not up to what ever the pencil pushers rate as "combat ready" in one case it may just be lacking a certain device or system but has everything else in others it may truly be incapable.For example my old unit in Germany we had the busiest section of flight line on the whole base but the least amount of equipment as a result our unit always showed up as being below the numbers because we had just enough serviceable units to cover demand the other units had more than enough but we always where ahead on run times which meant that the aircraft always got what they needed and never where delayed on our part the our sister units had lower run rates than we did.So on paper they where better units but in action they where worse go figure.

As to the Libya thing it is very common where possible in an extremely important operation to have back up units in case primary units fail or have some sort of problem and need to turn back that is very common and sound military tactic even Alexander the Great did this it is what you call reserves(and I do not mean US Army Reserves).And at the same time in the Cold War Warsaw Pacts tank levels would really have been 40-45%.

some pics of the Swedish red dot sights:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_femhrxbNtS...CK_MEADOWS.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_femhrxbNtS...LY_K_MOORE.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_femhrxbNtS...AID_SCOPES.jpg
http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2010...-tay-raid.html
http://shootery.blogspot.com/2010/07...int-sight.html

clearly not a night vision sight clearly a red dot sight.Also they used XM-177s aka CAR-15s and M193 ammo the same ammo used by any us troop at that time.

Sorry but when I see a clearly incorrect statement it really irks me.

07-14-11, 02:44 PM	#5
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I thought that the Son Toy raid guys used a very early version of red dot sight that was made by a Swedish company and was not something even is US military inventory I have not read the same things you gather from your book are sure what was said was accurate or perhaps the author was opinionated? I find the rifle mounted night sight hard to believe no one in the early 70s would have had technology to make a sight that was less bulky than the "Star Scope" that was available at the time that is too bulky for CQC combat they did find use for the early red dot though.Hell just in the past ten yers have night scopes gotten small enough not be to bulky for close combat. I know for a fact that the CIA provided the raiders with a special shotgun called the "duckbill" which they asked the CIA to design it had a special choke because they needed something to allow them to kick in the doors of the guards barracks and kill them easily without using grenades the CIA gave them the duckbills and they where excellent.Also SOG was a black program and got money to procure its needs from what ever source they deemed necessary for example many SOG and their mercenaries used AK-47s(more often the Type 56 the Chinese version) the demand for ammo was high enough that a South Korean factory was secretly making 7.62x39 ammo and also magazines for them. I was given this information from a good friend of mine who is a plumber he was in SOG back in then from 68-72 I trust what he says over any author.I know he speaks the truth because he he has shown me photos of himself and Hmong mercenaries that worked with him. Having been in the military myself I can agree that at times things are not in the best supply or condition but much of that is unavoidable there is not one military unit in any military that is at 100% all the time that just never happens.Also "not ready for combat" does not necessarily mean that something rated as such can not still perform in combat effectively it just means that it is not up to what ever the pencil pushers rate as "combat ready" in one case it may just be lacking a certain device or system but has everything else in others it may truly be incapable.For example my old unit in Germany we had the busiest section of flight line on the whole base but the least amount of equipment as a result our unit always showed up as being below the numbers because we had just enough serviceable units to cover demand the other units had more than enough but we always where ahead on run times which meant that the aircraft always got what they needed and never where delayed on our part the our sister units had lower run rates than we did.So on paper they where better units but in action they where worse go figure. As to the Libya thing it is very common where possible in an extremely important operation to have back up units in case primary units fail or have some sort of problem and need to turn back that is very common and sound military tactic even Alexander the Great did this it is what you call reserves(and I do not mean US Army Reserves).And at the same time in the Cold War Warsaw Pacts tank levels would really have been 40-45%. some pics of the Swedish red dot sights: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_femhrxbNtS...CK_MEADOWS.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_femhrxbNtS...LY_K_MOORE.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_femhrxbNtS...AID_SCOPES.jpg http://seanlinnane.blogspot.com/2010...-tay-raid.html http://shootery.blogspot.com/2010/07...int-sight.html clearly not a night vision sight clearly a red dot sight.Also they used XM-177s aka CAR-15s and M193 ammo the same ammo used by any us troop at that time. Sorry but when I see a clearly incorrect statement it really irks me. Last edited by Stealhead; 07-14-11 at 03:40 PM.