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Stealhead · 07-08-11, 02:07 PM

When I was in basic the guy in the next bunk had been born in the Ukraine and moved to the US with his family to Tampa in 1991 he was very pleased to realize that the US military gives you so much gear (normally 4 full sets of BDUs,2 full sets of dress,1 dress coat,1feild jacket,2 field caps,and all the PT gear and boots) he had this **** eating grin on his face when they are passing this stuff out the whole time screaming and yelling at you I think this dude was nuts or something.We asked him later why he was so happy and he told us it was because he was being issued so much gear his old man had been in the Soviet Army in Afghanistan in the early 80s and he only got two complete uniforms.If you have family or friends come to your graduation you can show them your dorm and your bunk and all that guys parents where even more excited than the son was about all the gear also they where glad to see that no NCOs had kicked his face in as happens in Soviet/Russian basic.

If it was so crappy back in the 80's I am sure that things are not any better now.I just wonder if the Russian government can fix all its military problems seems like they are hoping that by simply changing the system in one way they it will some how solve it.But why are the "old school" guys gong tolerate the guys? They will just beat the **** out of them in basic and on active duty I bet.The only thing they can do is try to eliminate the bad old guard NCOs and keep the good ones they have to change the entire corp if that is possible.

The closest thing I ever witnessed to the Russian system was when one of the junior enlisted in my unit failed to show up for duty so they sent me and two SPs to go "collect" him we got him up and in uniform and I called the shop and let them know he was drunk so the SNCO told me to take him to the chow hall and make him eat breakfast at the chow our SNCO the squadron commander and the command chief master sergeant where waiting.Some where along the way in the line this guy just plopped a buttload of scrabbled eggs on his tray as he walked past the commander a Lt.Colonel the commander asked him why he did not use a plate the kid started to give some half assed remark without showing any proper respect to an officer and next thing I see the top shirt(the CCSMGT) smacked his hand on the bottom of the tray sending eggs flying all over this kid and the floor.Lets just say after he was done cleaning up the mess and went back through the line with proper forks and plate he showed the commander and everyone else proper military discipline.That was the most rapid sobering up period I have ever seen in my life and honestly he deserved it.I am sure in the Russian military the same incident would have resulted in much harsher reactions on the junior enlisted.

07-08-11, 02:07 PM	#10
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	When I was in basic the guy in the next bunk had been born in the Ukraine and moved to the US with his family to Tampa in 1991 he was very pleased to realize that the US military gives you so much gear (normally 4 full sets of BDUs,2 full sets of dress,1 dress coat,1feild jacket,2 field caps,and all the PT gear and boots) he had this ** eating grin on his face when they are passing this stuff out the whole time screaming and yelling at you I think this dude was nuts or something.We asked him later why he was so happy and he told us it was because he was being issued so much gear his old man had been in the Soviet Army in Afghanistan in the early 80s and he only got two complete uniforms.If you have family or friends come to your graduation you can show them your dorm and your bunk and all that guys parents where even more excited than the son was about all the gear also they where glad to see that no NCOs had kicked his face in as happens in Soviet/Russian basic. If it was so crappy back in the 80's I am sure that things are not any better now.I just wonder if the Russian government can fix all its military problems seems like they are hoping that by simply changing the system in one way they it will some how solve it.But why are the "old school" guys gong tolerate the guys? They will just beat the ** out of them in basic and on active duty I bet.The only thing they can do is try to eliminate the bad old guard NCOs and keep the good ones they have to change the entire corp if that is possible. The closest thing I ever witnessed to the Russian system was when one of the junior enlisted in my unit failed to show up for duty so they sent me and two SPs to go "collect" him we got him up and in uniform and I called the shop and let them know he was drunk so the SNCO told me to take him to the chow hall and make him eat breakfast at the chow our SNCO the squadron commander and the command chief master sergeant where waiting.Some where along the way in the line this guy just plopped a buttload of scrabbled eggs on his tray as he walked past the commander a Lt.Colonel the commander asked him why he did not use a plate the kid started to give some half assed remark without showing any proper respect to an officer and next thing I see the top shirt(the CCSMGT) smacked his hand on the bottom of the tray sending eggs flying all over this kid and the floor.Lets just say after he was done cleaning up the mess and went back through the line with proper forks and plate he showed the commander and everyone else proper military discipline.That was the most rapid sobering up period I have ever seen in my life and honestly he deserved it.I am sure in the Russian military the same incident would have resulted in much harsher reactions on the junior enlisted. Last edited by Stealhead; 07-08-11 at 02:28 PM.