[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Aramike

Here we go again. As is typical, if you either don't understand a point or disagree with it, you claim that it hasn't been addressed.

I have several times stated that I don't believe that a prayer is "inflicting" something on anyone. Now, if you'd like to continue to ignore that, be my guest, but don't be suprised at how circular and pointless of a discussion this will remain.

Would you like me to point out where I've stated this or can you actually find it on your own?

A prayer, in and of itself, isn't inflicting anything on anyone. A prayer at a secular function is. That's where we disagree. You want your religion practiced at a non-religious public function, and I believe that's wrong. How hard is it for you to understand that?

Then why did you bring the other discussion up? Or are you simply not interested now because the logic has backfired?I have repeatedly addressed this.

No, the logic hasn't backfired. You took my point and deliberately skewed it to match what you wanted to see. My point was to show that in both those debates you insist that others have the "right" to do exactly what you tell them to, and when they object you twist it around so you look like the one being deprived of their freedom. You twisted that around so you could tell me what I should have said instead, blithely missing the point altogether.

For the last time: WHAT FREEDOM IS BEING INFRINGED UPON BY A PRAYER?

The freedom from being forced to listen to your religion being preached at a civil meeting. It's that simple.

No where in the Constitution does it say that someone has the right to begin their participation at an event that involves prayer at the time THEY WANT TO begin said participation.

Huh? I'm not even understanding that sentence.

And no one has the "right" to "not hear" what they don't want to hear.

So prayer in schools is a good thing, and kids who don't believe the way you do can leave? No, they can't. The same holds true of adults. A civic function is not a religious service, and you have no right to turn it into one, majority or no.

So you can keep conjuring up fake freedoms then complaining that they are being infringed upon, or you can concern yourself with the freedoms that are explicitly detailed in the Constitution.

Is anyone trying to limit your belief, or your worship? Why do you insist on pushing it where it doesn't belong.

As usual you are the authority on all things you debate in all the while, as usual, you refuse to even consider or discuss the other side.

Looked in a mirror lately? That's exactly what you're doing.

Ironic considering you fancy yourself the board's policeman and love to brag about how you never consider yourself to "know" anything.

I don't fancy myself anything, and I'm not the board's anything. And it's not bragging - I really don't know anything, unless actual facts are involved. On the other hand, I do get my back up when it looks to me like someone is trying to push an agenda.