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Originally Posted by Castout
Secularism must be embraced by states but NOT by individuals. Prohibiting people to pray in public is restricting their belief even banning them. |
If their religion demands them to make others either going away in order to not witnessing them practing their relgion or accept to be turned into witnesses of it, the relkgious have oversteppoed the line. I do not tolerate people in the pedestrain zone running around naked becasue they are nudists. I do not accept my neighboiur playing his radio so loud tzhat I need to listen to every single tune and word. But I must accept that the relgious seize the public space with their zeremocies and pratcice, raising anonymous pressure that way as well as a side effect?
BTW, the public schools are tax-run, they are thus under administration of the state, and the state has to make sure his institutions and organisaiton he run are secular.
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No one should be forced to pray as no one should be forced not to.
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If you pray so loud that I am forced to note it or even get negatively effected in my own way of living, prepare to get troubles with me. Your freedom ends where you demand freedoms that go at the cost of mine.
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US and Europe are turning into atheist society and with that more and more atheists are filling governmental positions and high society structures. This, incident like this, is only following this trend.
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Really? I know plenty of zealots and boigts in politics - Amercan, international, German.
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The funny aspect about many of people who declared themselves atheist is that they are in all objectivity are not just an atheist but they are anti-religion whether specific one or all.
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Which is logical since the three big religions Christianity, Judaism and Muhameddanism all are theist religions.
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If the trend continues before long practicing and expressing religious belief will be banned from public events and places. The real motive to this is to hinder the propagation of religious beliefs and make the majority of population atheists or even better anti-religion.
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By the American example the state indeed shall stey away from propgation of relgious claims and statements. And certain fields like for exaple jurisdiction, tax systemns, schools and unvirsities, public funding, indeed should be left uneffected by relgious demnds to tailor these in on behalf of said relgion's cliams and interests. That is part of secularism.
[quote]The irony is that this anti religion atheists are only in all objectivity members of their own beliefs which is anti religion and anti God.['/quote]
The usual anti-athist propaganda that refuses to see how self-contradictory this claim is. Fact is theists refuse to believe in what you define as yoiur understanding of theist Christianity, and that you - and many other believers - take queer. We refuse your believing. We claim the right not to be bothered in our way of life by your relgious practices. Some of us beoieve in non-theistic conceptions. thers do not care for mamiojg their minds up over what they believe or not.
Just to claim that religion automatically means theism, is wrong.
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It's a sad thing especially for people like me who truly knows and not just believe that God exists and even had a glimpse/peek of Him.
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Yes, you are truly enlightened. You have let us known often enough.
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My ordeal in Singapore whose rulers are atheists proved that they harbor a passion of hating anything genuinely religious. The irony is that they even engaged in spiritual warfare using spirit ....
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Okay, full stop here. I simpy don't care for the rest.