[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Xrundel

As my grandfather told me when I was a little - better once see on your own eyes that 100 times hear from others.
Dude - it's not the first time that you read my post and then bombarding me with bunch of web links.

I only used that tactic because you started your first post with an attack.

Another thing that I don't get at all - why Arclight after all that titanic work desided to darken view in his scope enough to watch spots on the Sun in real life? I am amateur astronomer (at least used to be) and know thing or two about optics. It's so God damn dark that he even came up with "Light" version of the mod but still too dark to my taste.

That was rude and insulting, so I responded in what I thought was an appropriate fashion. You talk about your personal experience with optics, yet you dismiss the personal experiences of the people who actually used those periscopes. Is your word better than theirs?

Where those ideas about "periscope is hardly usable at night" come from? If you think about it - ALL THE TELESCOPES HAVE TO BE TROWN AWAY because it's a night time.
Germans had BEST OPTICS during 20th century period. They optics were anti-light reflection coated way before anyone would even consider it.

You say things like this, yet you ignore the evidence given by the people who were actually there.

No one was talking about actual attack and how it was conducted.

Not true. You did exactly that when you tried to use Gunther Prien's attack on Scapa Flow to prove your point about periscopes not being useless at night. Since you prefer your real experience over something from Google you got it wrong.

No one argues with the fact that total darkness makes any optical device but night vision goggles useless.

But wasn't your original argument that periscopes aren't useless at night - a point you were so insistent on that you started swearing in your post?

If you like to post just for sake of arguing with anybody and anything (what is it - 31 000+ posts??! ) - find yourself somebody else, please. I would really value your personal opinion if you would be a real military high-ranking Navy officer (that means real professional) with this amount of posts here. If you are not - I am sorry. I am little bit higher ranked real sailor in real life than you. And I've seen more than you in this matter, I would dare to say.

So now you're saying we should trust you over the actual technical reports because you brag about your experience. My experience is that no on knows everything, and much can be learned from actual technical reports. They know more about their business than either you or I do.

Forgive me my ignorance, just would like to see you getting in torpedo tube with breathing apparatus and hope to survive in training excersice when they closing hatch behind you and start filling it with water on 60ft depth like I did in my life. That would definitively make me respect you opinion much more than thousands of posts that you have here.

So your experience inside a torpedo tube means you know more about periscopes than the people who wrote the reports on their actual investigation of U-570?

My time was spent as a radioman aboard a destroyer in the Vietnam war, yet I wouldn't pretend to be able to talk knowledgably about the radios I worked with after all these years. I'd have to look it up. As for post counts, I got mine by being here a long time and making a lot of posts, nothing more. When did I say you should listen to me and respect my opinion because of my post counts? I didn't, and I don't expect anyone to do that. You're the one who talked down to people and said we should listen to you because we're all wrong and you know more than those who were there at the time. All I did was read your posts claiming that your experience is more important than the actual reports, and point out the places where you were obviously wrong. I'll take their experiences and reports over anyone's word, including my own.

I never took any crap from "theorists" that never experience real deal.
I am not about to change my rules now as well.

I'm not a "theorist" at all. But when someone tells us we're all wrong, I tend to look at the known facts and compare the two. And when the person who flouted those reports only responds by claiming he knows more than I do, but doesn't actually address the places where he was wrong, then who should I trust?

I didn't pick a fight with you. You came in here insisting you know better, and I challenged that.